ChessClearBelt wrote:
Also why are we asking this question about basketball on a chess site? Isn’t there a basketball site to ask this on?
So chess players can't talk about basketball?
And vice versa?
Is basketball a sport or a game?
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@ChessClearBelt
Read the story about the Blind Men and the Elephant.
Each art is a blind man.
Ozzr wrote:
A neighbor is friends with the local hockey team and players. We went to a Chiefs game last year and I kept thinking - "This looks so familiar." About half wat through is suddenly realized that the Canadian team were running all of these tactical and strategic patterns - pawn chains, double attacks, king safety, etc.; that were just like those on the chess board. The Canadians won using superior game play. I mentioned it to the neighbor and a couple of the players later and they all thought about it and then chortled, mentioning that I had spotted something that should have been obvious to them as also being chess players.
I played golf two days ago. On the fourth hole my playing partner was figuring out a way to position their second shot so that the third shot would be easier. I thought "Oh my gosh, strategy! It's just like chess!"
Of course chess is a lot more physically demanding. Basketball players and golfers don't burn 6,000 calories during a competition.
long_quach wrote:
ChessClearBelt wrote:
Also why are we asking this question about basketball on a chess site? Isn’t there a basketball site to ask this on?
So chess players can't talk about basketball?
And vice versa?
Jujitsu coach.
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19 days ago
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I swear this long_quach guy is on smth that hasn't even been discovered by gangsters 😭
ChessClearBelt wrote:
Also why are we asking this question about basketball on a chess site? Isn’t there a basketball site to ask this on?
Don't you wanna be like Mike?
long_quach wrote:
ChessClearBelt wrote:
Also why are we asking this question about basketball on a chess site? Isn’t there a basketball site to ask this on?
Don't you wanna be like Mike?
A joke and not a joke.
We should learn from other arts, especially sports. And vice versa as the Jujitsu example above.
Imagine if Fischer vs. Spassky had this entrance song. It would blow the roof off the venue.
Abirdwithinternetyt wrote:
I swear this long_quach guy is on smth that hasn't even been discovered by gangsters 😭
I'm high on life, like Nancy Reagan told me to.
long_quach wrote:
Abirdwithinternetyt wrote:
I swear this long_quach guy is on smth that hasn't even been discovered by gangsters 😭
I'm high on life, like Nancy Reagan told me to.
I am a lunatic.
The funny thing is I actually make sense.
That is the funny part!
Abirdwithinternetyt wrote:
I swear this long_quach guy is on smth that hasn't even been discovered by gangsters 😭
I'm Hooked on Phonics.
16 days ago
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Zidanefre wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Or, is this simplistic question a distraction?
Can a game be a sport? Are all sports games? Although it lacks the physical demands of athletics, are there ways that chess exhibits the essence of what we call sports?
pretty much every single "is chess a sport?" thread devolves into one side saying "chess is a sport because some federation said so" and another side saying "chess isn't physically demanding, so it's not a sport by definition" with neither side coming to any sort of resolution.
But not all sports are games, no? Is running a game? I think we would call cross country a sport. Similarly, mountain biking is surely a sport, but we would not say that it's a game of any sort.
Most sports involve some sort of competition, whether against other people, or against yourself (but mostly the former). Chess surely exhibits this aspect. Sports also generally demand some sort of coordination between mind and body. A nice example would be esports. Although it may not appear physically straining, being able to coordinate what you see on screen and how you move your devices physically is an example of coordination. Lots of competitive players spend a lot of time training their aim for this purpose. I do not see chess exhibiting this sort of thing at all. Perhaps if you are playing online in a 3 minute game at longest, you will have to occasionally demonstrate a little bit of coordination. But hardly enough to make it competitive.
Another pattern you'll find in sports is that you will have bursts of speed. For example, if a midfielder lobs a nice pass to a striker and suddenly you have a chance on goal, after many minutes of passing to hold possession. In chess, this is quite backwards. The instances of nothing happening usually pass by quicker than when the instances when the game tenses up. Obviously, since you have to think more when critical positions appear.
Perhaps online speed chess can be called a sort of "sport". But generally besides the competitive nature of the game, chess doesn't really have much in common with other sports whatsoever.
You can race someone while running, in which case it is a game, and is still running. I could've worded my ideas better, sports contain aspects of things that can be used as a game. Is that good? I would say a game could even just be running a mile to beat your previous time.
16 days ago
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long_quach wrote:
Basketball "steals" from chess.
Chess invented the clock, as far I know, back in days of sand glasses, hourglasses, who knows when.
Basketball only adopted it in 1954.
Chess "steals" From Ancient humans.
Ancient humans Invented the clock, as far I know, back in the days of Egypt, Babylon, who knows when.
Chess only adopted it in 1883.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_clock?wprov=sfla1
16 days ago
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#54
long_quach wrote:
ChessClearBelt wrote:
Also why are we asking this question about basketball on a chess site? Isn’t there a basketball site to ask this on?
So chess players can't talk about basketball?
And vice versa?
Yeah we should also be able to talk about Diseases then!
Not so fun fact: Over 3 million Russians Died because of typhus in The eastern Front. (RIP)
16 days ago
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A sport, is what I believe, A Game that can be pursued as a career directly by playing (without Other roles like content creation)
Pope-of-bishops wrote:
long_quach wrote:
Basketball "steals" from chess.
Chess invented the clock, as far I know, back in days of sand glasses, hourglasses, who knows when.
Basketball only adopted it in 1954.
Chess "steals" From Ancient humans.
Ancient humans Invented the clock, as far I know, back in the days of Egypt, Babylon, who knows when.
Chess only adopted it in 1883.
A little more thinking.
A little less encyclopedia.
I think a game is an activity with rules and one or more winners. Basketball and chess are both games by definition. Running and rock climbing are not inherently games, but can become games (be "gamified") through events which declare a winner for running faster or completing a more difficult climbing route. There is a similar case for solving chess problems. I am less sure what is a "sport" - to me, the term implies a physical component, but I don't have a bright line for what kind of physical activity qualifies. Running the 3000m and throwing shot put are both sports in my mind, though the physical requirements are entirely different. I don't personally consider chess a sport despite the physical stamina required to concentrate on a chess board, but I do consider basketball a sport. However, if we instead think of a sport as a game with social organization and structure then perhaps both tournament chess and basketball may qualify, but casual chess or pickup basketball may not.
Pope-of-bishops wrote:
long_quach wrote:
ChessClearBelt wrote:
Also why are we asking this question about basketball on a chess site? Isn’t there a basketball site to ask this on?
So chess players can't talk about basketball?
And vice versa?
Yeah we should also be able to talk about Diseases then!
Diseases is a chess game.
Virus and inoculations.
Bacteria and penicillin.
Poison and antidote.
Read a book by a Nobel prize winning doctor.
The Threat and the Glory: Reflections on Science and Scientists
Peter Medawar
ISBN: 978-0192861283
I read it.
And why can't chess players talk about anything?
long_quach wrote:
Peter Medawar
He figured out why we can't cure genetic diseases like sickle cell anemia. Or cystic fibrosis (whatever that is).
You see telethons asking for donations to cure genetic diseases.
They are not diseases. They are cures. One set of genes fights malaria. Double recessive is sickle cell anemia. Same with cystic fibrosis. It fights something else.
It is like a sword and a shield. Great combination. Having only 2 swords or 2 shields is bad against a sword and a shield.
He figured out that Nature plays a deadly "Go" game. A few will die of sickle cell anemia but more will be saved from malaria.
There, I just talked about diseases in a martial and martial game context.
Also why are we asking this question about basketball on a chess site? Isn’t there a basketball site to ask this on?