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Ghostliner

I typed this question into google and the following treatise came top of the list:

 

Who Made Satan?


Most Christians believe the answer to that question is obvious: “God created Satan.” But that is not really true. God created Lucifer. That may seem like a small distinction at first glance, but once you understand who really made Satan, it will change your perspective of him forever.


You will never again doubt your authority over the devil. You will realize that he is an inferior being, unable to do anything without the cooperation of a human being. And any fear you have of him will disappear as you realize he is nothing but a big zero with the rim knocked off.


I believe that God created everything, including Lucifer. He created Lucifer as a powerful anointed angel. However, Lucifer wasn’t satisfied with that, and he didn’t remain the anointed cherub that God created him to be.


Ezekiel 28:13-14 describe him as he originally was in the Garden of Eden:


“Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.”


Most people believe that Lucifer took one-third of the angels and rebelled against God in heaven, where he was defeated and then cast to earth. This is all taken from one scripture, in Revelation 12:4, and was popularized by Finis Dake in the Dake’s Bible commentary. I don’t believe that is what actually happened.


I believe that Satan was originally on this earth in the Garden of Eden as Lucifer. He was God’s number one angel sent to earth to be a blessing to Adam and Eve.


Hebrews 1:14 says this about angels:


“Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”


Lucifer wasn’t sent to the earth to tempt Adam and Eve but to bless them. He was an angelic being sent to be their protector, to minister to them, and to serve them. He was there on a divine mission, still in his perfect state. It was in the Garden that his transgression against God was conceived and carried out.


Ezekiel 28:15 goes on to say,


“Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.”


I have never been able to follow the logic that God sent Satan to earth to tempt man and see how he would respond. As a father, would you take your two-year-old child and put him or her in a cage with a lion just to see how he or she would respond? That would obviously be irresponsible; the child would be no match for the lion. God wouldn’t do that to us, and he didn’t do that to Adam and Eve.


So, what made Lucifer turn against God? Lucifer watched as God did something for man that He had never done with any other of His creation. When God created man, not only was he made in the very image of God, but he was then given unconditional authority over this earth.


Genesis 1:26 says,


“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”


He didn’t say to them, “Now as long as you follow my leading and as long as you do what I want you to do, I will let you have dominion over the earth.” There was zero qualification for this power and authority. God spoke it and that was it.


God says in Psalm 89:34,


“My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.”


In Hebrews 1:3 it says,


“Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high” (emphasis mine).


What this is saying is that God cannot lie; it’s the integrity of His Word that holds the entire universe together. Unlike human beings who reserve the right to change their minds, God will not violate His Word. When He told Adam and Eve they had dominion, authority, and power to subdue and rule, it was done.


Lucifer understood the integrity of God’s words, and when he heard this, I believe his antenna went up. He saw that Adam and Eve had something he wanted but didn’t have: They had unconditional authority. In a way, they had been made the gods of this world; it was theirs to rule and subdue.


We read in Psalm 115:16,


“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD’S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.”


Even though Lucifer may have been God’s number one angel, he still wanted more. He was jealous and envious; he actually wanted to take God’s place.


In Isaiah 14:13 it says,


“For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north.”


The next verse says,


“I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.”


Lucifer understood that if he could deceive Adam and Eve into willingly relinquishing their authority to him that he could become the god of this world. He could take the authority that was given to mankind, use it to thwart the kingdom of God, and receive the praise and adoration and glory he wanted.


Romans 6:16 says this,


“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?”


So, who made Satan? We did! The moment Adam and Eve yielded to Lucifer, he became Satan, the god of this world. You might be thinking, But Satan deceived them. Shouldn’t God have stopped him?


Read 1 Timothy 2:14:


“And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”


Adam knew what he was doing.


I believe the moment Lucifer transgressed against God, he lost his angelic power. Satan now has no power or authority of his own; he only has what he has been able to deceive people into giving him. Now, that is a powerful statement.


Think about what that means to you as a believer. When we are resisting the devil and fighting against him, Satan does not have a superior power or authority. He is absolutely dependent upon the cooperation of a human being who will empower him with the authority God gave them.


Satan is going about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. He is looking for people who will open the door through things like lust, rebellion, strife, unforgiveness, fear, and more. When we yield to those things, we are empowering him to destroy us, and I guarantee you, given the opportunity, he will eat your lunch and pop the bag.


In this article, I am only scratching the surface on my teaching “Who Made Satan?” and it is only one teaching in my six-part series called The Believer’s Authority. Until you understand the power and authority that God has given you, you will never be able to defeat the devil, receive healing, prosper, and live in victory. Knowing your authority is the key! This teaching is an absolute necessity for every believer.

Ghostliner

Source: Andrew Wommack Ministries

http://www.awmi.net/reading/teaching-articles/made_satan/

username-39

David is referred to as "satan" and many other people throughout the bible. Because it is the hebrew word for enemy

Ghostliner

That's interesting, I didn't know that.

I wonder what's Hebrew for: "Knights on the rim are very dim"?

username-39

i dont know, but you sound like one of them

Ghostliner

Blazing Bishop-Pairs!! tm

Only post #5 and I've been insulted already!

username-39

BRAShTh BRA ALHYM ATh HShMYM VTh HAARTz. Is a mathematical statement. Did you know this?

Ghostliner

No I didn't, I know what a sockpuppet looks like though:

Do you know what "sayonara" means?

Ghostliner

Oh, and Happy New Year and Hail Satan.

Raspberry_Yoghurt

Cthulhu > Satan

FRENCHBASHER

seriously : Evil is a couple :Lucifer, carry light, and Satan, in the Dark side, according to specialits of the question.

So admit that Satan exists is admitting Evil, Bad,exists, is sompeone either materail, either spiriatual, some bad soul.

Is Bad invented? Is Bad something spiritual, something material, both ? atheist  say no,it is man's disorder, disease Religious say yes, it is their reason to exist;

Actually,me ? I dunno, wait the great Passage, death, to travel everywhere in aeternitas to get the answer.

Regards Gl if somethg offends someoen, just tell me, I'll delete.

ANOK1

older religions than judaism and christianity , lay claim to the Horned god as a deity they respected and loved , judaism took those beliefs and moulded them to fit the agenda they was setting forward ie 1 god and his adversary ,

look at Cerunnos , for the real(or at least original ) belief in the horned god

Nikprit

Aye. I don't want to sound like a prophet of doom but I am sensing for many it is......

-----not for you Ghosty!!

The Great Horned God

 The Great Horned God
The consort of the Goddess and symbol of male energy in the form of the divine, The Horned God reigns. He is the lord of the woodlands, the hunt and animals. He provides for the tribe through the hunt and is honored or rewarded for his deed by being permitted to copulate with the Goddess through the Great Rite.
 
The Horned God is is the lord of life, death and the underworld. And is the Sun to the Goddess' Moon. He alternates with the Goddess in ruling over the fertility cycle of birth, death and rebirth. He is born at the winter solstice, unites with the Goddess in marriage at Bealtaine, and dies at the summer solstice to bring fertility to the land as the Sacred King.
 
He is not just a Celtic representation of the God, nor does he solely belong to Wicca, as he has been associated with many deities throughout the world.
  • Cernunnos, The Celtic God of fertility, animals and the underworld.
  • Herne The Hunter, a specter of Britain.
  • Pan the Greek god of the woodlands,
  • Janus the Roman god of good beings.
  • Tammuz and Damuzi, the son, lover and consorts to Ishtar and Inanna.
  • Osiris, the Egyptian Lord of the underworld.
  • Dionysus, the Greek god of vegetation and vine.
  • The Green Man, the lord of vegetation and the woodlands.
 
 The History Of The Horned One
Paintings discovered in the Caverne des Trois Freres at Ariege, France provides evidence of the first views of the Horned One. Depicted as a stag standing upright on hind legs with the upper body of a man, the figure is celebrating what appears to be a hunt and wooing a woman.
 
From some of the earliest myths come the union between the fertile Goddess and the triumphant phallus hunter, the Horned God. The more successful the tribal hunter in providing for his people, the greater his stature became. The more likely he would be the one chosen to impregnate the "Mother" of the tribe. Often seen as the High Priestess or at least a tribal woman who was touched by the goddess because of her prowess at becoming pregnant and extending the life of the tribe. Something that was needed during the days of ancient man, as life spans were short and death by illness or disease was common.
 
Many legends describe fertility celebrations occurring at the spring gathering and again in late fall. Each of these coinciding with a spring hunt to bring food to the tribe after a cold desolate winter. And in the fall to provide meat for the tribe during the winter months. The most successful hunter won the prize of sleeping with the "Goddess", most often before the Tribe watching. Something that is seen as repugnant today, in ancient times, it was a spiritual event and is revitalized in what we see as the Great Rite of today.
 
During these rituals, the Hunter would appear dressed or cloaked in the skin of his kill with the horns of the stag resting victoriously upon his head. Some legends describe the blood of the beast engulfing both the Horned Hunter and the Goddess, believing the life taken from the animal is transferred to the womb of the fertile Mother, thus providing life.
 
To the Celts as Cernunnos, the Horned God was more than just a fertile being. He is found throughout the Celtic lands and folklore as the guardian of the portal leading to the Otherworld. The name Cernunnos is known only through damaged carvings found at Notre Dame. In these carvings, a deity with short horns carries the incomplete inscription 'ERNUNNO'. In his earliest of days he was probably the fertility god to the Gauls. But as time progressed and his legends grew, he became associated with wealth and prosperity. He was such an important deity to the pagan Celts, that his image and prowess became a major target for the early Christian church. It is his image that is believed to have been adopted for their mythos of the Devil 'deo falsus' or the false god. His status as the god of Hell would coincide with the view of the pagan Celts as the guardian of the Otherworld.
 
As Herne the Hunter, the British version of the Horned God; he is seen as the leader of the Wild Hunt. As an antlered giant, he is rumored to still survive and live in the forests of Windsor Great Park. His longevity is owed to the cult of Cernunnos, who have also linked his generosity to provide for the tribe to the legend of Robin Hood. Some suggest that Herne was the father to Robin of Loxley; which is probably more an association since Herne is a much older figure in legend and myth. In this ability to provide for the tribe as the great Hunter of the wood, he is forever linked to the Horned God.
 
As the Greek deity of pastures, flocks and herds, Pan was half man and half goat. With the legs and horns and beard of a goat. He is the offspring of Hermes, but his mothers lineage is in question. Either he is the result of Hermes and Dryope daughter of King Dropys, who's flocks he tended. Or Hermes and Penelope. His cult is centered around Arcadia where he is reported to haunt the woodlands, hills and mountains. Sleeping at noon and then dancing through the woods as he played the panpipes, which he is credited with inventing. He is the lusty leader of the satyrs (woodland deities), and continually chases the nymphs (the beautiful nature goddesses). During rituals, his essence is invoked to for fertility of the flocks or for an abundant hunt. Associating him with the legends of the Horned God.
 
As Osiris the Egyptian god of the lower world, he is seen as the judge of the dead. Linking him to the concept of Cernunnos as the guardian of the gate to the Other World. He is the brother of Isis, but he is also her husband. Isis as the goddess of fertility her status as the Mother is propagated by the services provided her by Osiris. Once again linking his image with that of the Horned One.
 
As the Green Man he is the God of the woodlands and vegetation. He is also known as 'Green Jack", "Jack in the Green" and "Green George". He represents the spirits of the trees, plants and foliage who has many powers over nature that promote growth. He has the power to make it rain and foster the livestock with lush meadows. As Green George he has been represented as a young man cloaked head to foot in greenery. In early depictions, the green vegetation emphasized his phallic symbol of fertility as he lead processions through tribal lands. As the Green Man he shares his woodland home with the forest fairies often called "Greenies" or "Greencoaties". What today we call Nature Sprites. The Green Man is depicted as a horned man peering out from a mask of foliage, connecting him to the image of Horned God.
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It wasn't unusual throughout the centuries for the 'old gods' to become the 'demons' of new sects or religions. Same with celebratory times like the winter solstice for example in Paganism become Christmas for the Christians.
ANOK1

so as you see ghostliner the horned god predates judaism , and of course christianity

his worship in one form or another is as old as stone age (lascaux paintings)

but in the last 6 - 4000 years his image has become satan

to the point that a good god if gods exist that is is now slandered as evil in personification

Ghostliner

Aye Aye Pritchard, good to see those trusty cannons of yours astern! All baled out and ship-shape?

Hello again M. Basher, all past antagonisms are forgotten, we start afresh and on a fresh topic. And many thanks for the picture on my blog by the way, a generous act indeed and you both pass with flying colours. Merci. VIVE LA FRANCE! LONG LIVE WOMEN!

Likewise Raspberry, we have had our differences elsewhere but this is a fresh start. You have a deep intelligence mate and much to say, most welcome. There is a place for Cthulhu but I'm not so sure that place is here; seems to me that, like Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, Cthulhu is a political intervention and one that goes heavy on the satire. This thread is specifically on Satan, and preceding entities / systems. Inevitably, it will centre on pre-christian paganism. I can't pretend to be an expert matey and I'm hoping to learn a lot.

Good posts mates, most interesting and a firm steer I feel in a fruitful direction.

Idiot sockpuppet hurled overboard? CheckA fellow Celt on each flank? Check'God Squad' in telescope range? Check.

This convoy is looking good. Heave to and I'll break out the grog!


MEXIMARTINI

Revelation 12:7-9

7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Why didn't that article provide these verses? This clearly says Satan did not start out on earth.   ...huh.



Nikprit
Did you leave your parrot in the pub Ghosty? He is looking for you.....
ANOK1

ah the dragon , symbolic of the earth itself in many pre judeo-christian cultures , of course the god squad would want to defeat that wouldnt they cannot allow mother earth to hold dominion over the earth now can we

Ghostliner

That bloody parrot, blast his eyes! Get him in the pub and you have to drag him out kicking and squawking with a press gang!

Ghostliner
MEXIMARTINI wrote:

Revelation 12:7-9

7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

Why didn't that article provide these verses? This clearly says Satan did not start out on earth.   ...huh.

 

 

Are you referring to the article in post 1 MM?

Is it really so surprising, isn't the bible peppered with contradictions?

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