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The controversy surrounding people in drag doing readings for children is starting to get nastier, according to this BBC report:

‘For the first time ever, I worry about doing drag gigs’ - BBC Three

Grim.

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Drag is ok, sexual performances in front of children are not.
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SoupSailor72 wrote:
Drag is ok, sexual performances in front of children are not.

I agree, and this was already covered in law prior to the recent backlash and controversy. But totally innocent drag entertainments with children are being restricted, and totally innocent drag performers subjected to harassment, discrimination and threats/violence. Not to mention the parents and children at such events.

The big issues here seems to me to be that some people believe all drag is inherently sexualised, and some people are using parental fear as a way to push homophobia and transphobia.

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Drag is a sexual act. Maybe there are some non-sexual ones, but I haven’t heard of them. Anyway, even if there are, it doesn’t make a difference. The law prohibits sexual acts, not drag. Drag isn’t even mentioned in the law.
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SoupSailor72 wrote:
Drag is a sexual act. Maybe there are some non-sexual ones, but I haven’t heard of them. Anyway, even if there are, it doesn’t make a difference. The law prohibits sexual acts, not drag. Drag isn’t even mentioned in the law.

How do you justify the claim that cross-dressing (drag) is a sexual act in and of itself?

This is an interesting topic, but I suspect this isn't the thread for it as this thread is pretty much a pro-lgbtq+ space. I'm not sure that such a discussion is best held here. I will start another separate thread.

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It’s not inherently sexual, I guess, but that’s all it’s been used for for decades. You can cross-dress in your home, that’s not drag.
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SoupSailor72 wrote:
It’s not inherently sexual, I guess, but that’s all it’s been used for for decades. You can cross-dress in your home, that’s not drag.

I'll start another thread, but just to say here that if drag isn't inherently sexual then you've basically contradicted yourself. And if non-sexual drag acts (new or not) are being targeted under the false presumption that drag is inherently sexual then that is an obvious case of at best ignorance and at worst deliberate discrimination. Additionally, non-sexual cross dressing has been used in entertainment like theatre and pantomimes for hundreds of years, so your claim of 'all it's been used for' is false.

If a gender non-conforming male teacher wearing eyeliner and a blouse delivers a lecture on geology, is that inherently sexual simply because of the xdressing? Obviously not. So I don't see any logical cohesion in your stance. Maybe you can expand on the new thread.

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I’m not talking about cross-dressing or transgenderism in general, I’m talking about drag shows. Have you ever seen a non-sexual drag show? However, even there was, the law doesn’t target that.
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SoupSailor72 wrote:
I’m not talking about cross-dressing or transgenderism in general, I’m talking about drag shows. Have you ever seen a non-sexual drag show? However, even there was, the law doesn’t target that.

Drag readings in libraries, the very issue under discussion, are non-sexual drag acts. Or, to be more precise, non-sexual acts performed by people in drag.

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What’s going on 0.o

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If you want to discuss the issues surrounding the marked increase in homophobic/transphobic violence, harassment and legal discrimination connected to the controversial drag stroyhour programmes from a pro-lgbtq+ perspective then to some extent this is the thread.

If you want to discuss the tangential issue as to whether drag/xdressing is itself inherently sexual, there's a separate thread for that.

If you want to discuss the uptick in homophobic harassment connectd to drag book readings for children from an anti-lgbtq+ perspective, then it's best to start a separate thread.

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Uh alright

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Welcome

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Does anyone know of any accepting lgbtq+ chess.com clubs

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m00nLight_Fay wrote:

Does anyone know of any accepting lgbtq+ chess.com clubs

Here? Yes. I belong to 2. Just type lgbt into the club search function.

https://www.chess.com/club/lgbt-club

https://www.chess.com/club/lgbt-of-chesscom

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DelightfulLiberty wrote:
m00nLight_Fay wrote:

Does anyone know of any accepting lgbtq+ chess.com clubs

Here? Yes. I belong to 2. Just type lgbt into the club search function.

https://www.chess.com/club/lgbt-club

https://www.chess.com/club/lgbt-of-chesscom

Thanks so much love

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inb4thelock
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Strawberrycow12345 wrote:
inb4thelock

Why would this thread be locked?

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