life

Even that adjustment is mechanical.

I agree. Troy you're in trouble with me

By the way I am sincere! But yeah tangent Tom is right

Okay. Troy.

You've said life is full of meaning. To whom? Meaning is a subjective term right? Life is neither meaningful nor meaningless it just is. No?

Correct. But some argue otherwise.

Life is a series of events all leading up to death, and death is the only thing we are confident that will happen. All suicides are just shortcuts to hell, and we don't know what he'll looks like, but we assume it's a better place, often.

 

 

 If the subject is still in place, then the meaning must be subjective.

But life has meaning, apart from a subjective subject. When subjectivity ends the meaning is revealed.

'troy' said - But life has meaning, apart from a subjective subject. When subjectivity ends the meaning is revealed.

'troy', Just curious.. but how do You find Your 'meaning' regarding, the More compelling areas of existence, without it becoming, too generalized, a supposedly 'objective' <- {key word}, conclusion.. And, without your own interpretation/ subjective 'take'!? o:

Yes, there is meaning, which is not a matter of interpretation, a conclusion deduced from experiences. There is meaning that cannot be sought after. Not an idea, not an interpretation of a quote or a translation of a fact(into more ideas).

One can only understand this when the subject is removed, or ceases to exist.

An unsolicited, answer-'link' to 'windmill's comment, re. 'suicide' and 'Hell.'

The 'Swedenborgian' view.. which, {fwiw}, I endorse. {a 1 min. 36 sec. video commentary}.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXg57qjm7g

Reading your answer 'troy'.. As I see it, of course.. Means, that we all have to remain essentially clueless, about various existential, and-or 'moral' issues, until the 'subject'.. or, 'us'.. cease, to exist!?

Maybe, in your Own paradigm, that makes sense.. But, as the most basic starting point - Many have found 'the Golden Rule' to be both mutually beneficial, and True! -- But, there are many other, compelling 'moral' issues, that involve, pro-actively, following ones' conscience, or 'gut- instinct! o:

The instincts are tainted. This is beyond anything man has ever known, any book, any 'teaching', even beyond oneself.

There is plenty of meaning. But as the long as the subject is in place, life is meaningless.

'troy' said.. {concluding sentence}, There is plenty of meaning. But as the long as the subject is in place, life is meaningless.

Some of that 'outside' as-it-were, 'meaning'.. Must have penetrated, your own psyche, {troy}, some time ago - Otherwise, I'd think that you, in particular.. would've gone the 'suicide' route, a while back!

.. Ergo, you adopted the view, that Life..'baggage' and all.. Aint worth commiting suicide over, as your personally adopted Truth!

Hmm. I'll catch you guys am. Looking forward to it.

Truth cannot be adopted. There is no room for two here: it's either one or Truth.

The ignorant may interpret this(it's in the Bible somewhere--I haven't read it but it's there) as a god who is petty( substituting 'Truth' for 'God'), a selfish, proud god.

But that's because the ignorant projects an image of Truth according to his own projection of his self-image. He personalizes the impersonal.

But actually there is no room for both: if something false in place, Truth cannot be. And vice verse: Truth cannot co-exist with the false. The false must go before Truth can be.

But the false has many facets, many traps.

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Right I've read. Troy. You sound like Nikprit. I'd like to believe you're right but I doubt it.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but I find your view superstitious and ego centric.

I'm fascinated by the idea that life can somehow have an objective meaning but I can't understand how that can be true and you can't elucidate how that's so.

I don't think you're right Troy. I think pain and pleasure are real and that's about it.

If you've found a truth I wish you could share.

Still I'll consider the meaning I experience in my life and consider if this meaning can be objective.

Troy you are driving me crazy right now. How can you argue that the self doesn't exist but meaning does? That's illogical!

I'll post tomorrow

Haha! Be uncomfortable, Tom, don't relax!

 

A meaning coming from the self is meaningless. The meaning I'm talking about doesn't come from there. It doesn't come in the form of messages or 'voices'. Although there are plenty of messages/insights.

 

Superstition? That implies the fear. But fear and Truth don't share the same house.

Truth can only be 'perceived' in the absence of fear, in freedom.

If, in your view 'troy'.. You, having obviously, long ago decided, that given Life's visicitudes, and various 'stuff'<-{my own description}, that can't be known definitively, in each one's own lifetime.. That 'suicide' is an up-to-the-present, 'Non-Starter' As your own mode-of-conduct; Then, how could that Not be regarded, as being essentially 'True', in your own thinking!?

But, for all I know.. Maybe the possibility, that you Might 'do-away-with-yourself' at a future point in time.. In your own mind; Makes, Any mode of your personal conduct, Inherently unable, to be classified, as 'True'!?