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noodles2112 wrote:

Elroch - I received the same "education/indoctrination" as everyone else.

Yet for you, it failed to bring you to a level where you could understand that ANY rotating rigid object has points on its surface moving at a wide range of speeds.

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Well, I aced my astronomy and science courses in undergrad so it did stick with me...and I believed every word uttered from my professors mouth. 

Your little Harlem Globetrotter video is nifty. I wonder what would happen if the ball had first been soaked with H2Owink.png

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noodles2112 wrote:

Well, I aced my astronomy and science courses in undergrad so it did stick with me...and I believed every word uttered from my professors mouth. 

Your little Harlem Globetrotter video is nifty. I wonder what would happen if the ball had first been soaked with H2O

Just curious, without giving too much away (internet and all), what is your chosen profession? I may have missed this in earlier posts, sorry if so. 

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noodles2112 wrote:

Well, I aced my astronomy and science courses in undergrad so it did stick with me...and I believed every word uttered from my professors mouth.

So why do you refer to a trivial fact about the rotation of a ball with amazement as if it wasn't something everyone easily understands?

Your little Harlem Globetrotter video is nifty. I wonder what would happen if the ball had first been soaked with H2O.
As I mentioned, the (rotating frame) acceleration is enormously bigger in that case, so any loose water would be flung off (a spin dryer uses this technique at much higher speeds!). For the oceans of Earth, the centrifugal force is less than 0.1% of the gravitational force that is measured by any bathroom scales.

 

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Entrepreneur. Tile mechanic on the side. 

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Spinning a basketball on ones finger does not prove the earth is a spinning ball in outer space. Globetrotters can spin many basketballs simultaneously. Not sure what the world record is? 

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As you will know, I have been arguing for ten years that the Big Bang Theory is going to be refuted in the next 30 to 50 years. It's because it's obviously an artificial "theory". It would have been a massive fluke if it'd been right. The amount of alterations they've made to the BBT is almost unbelievable. The maths has never quite worked. Nearly isn't good enough. And it was thought to be a stand-alone idea which didn't depend on anything else.

BUT the predictions of acceleration of expansion of the universe, made in the 1950s, were a death knell before the BBT even grew to popularity. Why have a non-steady-state hypothesis that depends on a steady state reality? Acceleration requires constant input, either of energy, which is too vast a requirement to be feasible, or of SPACE.

A property of space such that it grows at a set rate, combined with half-life extinction of each matter quantum and with it, each associated or entwined space quantum, is sufficient  to reach the spiral nebula stage and explain gravitation. From there, the formation of planets is a natural process, understood by present day science.

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Optimissed wrote:

As you will know, I have been arguing for ten years that the Big Bang Theory is going to be refuted in the next 30 to 50 years.

I suggest you try to be more scientific. What is the objective scientific proposition that you disagree with? (Or the list of them?)

Talking about "refuting the BBT", and then going on to indicate you use the term for different sets of propositions suggests another example of confusion about the roles of labels and concepts.

 

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noodles2112 wrote:

Spinning a basketball on ones finger does not prove the earth is a spinning ball in outer space. Globetrotters can spin many basketballs simultaneously. Not sure what the world record is? 

It illustrates the rotation of a rigid (near) sphere, to help you avoid future daft comments about parts of the Earth rotating at different speeds (a triviality).

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Elroch - you want to call me daft yet your heliocentric high priest idol, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, claimed the earth is an Oblate Pear-Shaped Spheroid. 

Have you seen a globetrotter spin one of those on their finger?wink.png

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😂 must be the wobble

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noodles2112 wrote:

I still enjoy science fiction movies/books. Interstellar was interesting but not my favorite sci fi movie.  Blade Runner-The Final Cut, is probably my favorite. Frank Herbert's Dune is probably my favorite sci fi novel. I love Tolkien and have read the Lord of the Rings as well as the Simarillion numerous times. When I was kid a saw Star Wars 26 times in the theater. That was back in the day when one could purchase a ticket and hang out there for every showing 

I'm part of https://www.chess.com/club/silmarillion and was re-reading The Lord of the Rings with a weekly book club on Twitch before the streamer needed to take a break. Haven't seen The Rings of Power mini-series yet. I really liked Dune but Dune Messiah less and Children of Dune even less than that and didn't read any more after that: thought David Lynch's 1984 movie with Kyle MacLachlan and Sting was pretty good, but Denis Villeneuve's movie with Timothee Chalamet and Zendaya was awesome, even if we didn't see any sign of Feyd-Rautha (yet). It reminded me a lot of The Lord of Rings movies in that it's done a sensational job of capturing the feel and the spirit of the books while obviously not being able to go into the same depth as those books and having to change some small things because of the different storytelling format. Really looking forward to Part 2. Enjoyed the original Star Wars trilogy, disliked the prequels intensely, and the most recent ones had mixed feelings about - The Force Awakens was a lovely return mostly (disliked the Han Solo / Leia Organa dynamic intensely) and also mostly hated Luke Skywalker's behaviour in The Last Jedi. Carrie Fisher's death complicated the storytelling for the last one and I don't know whether it quite landed. Loved the final episode of season 2 of The Mandalorian but haven't been really watched everything Star Wars - there just seems to be so much of it tongue

I enjoy those stories, which are far more skilfully told, than the anti-scientific stuff you normally write in here about. It's a pity you're wasting your time & energy on such a dead end as flat earth theories.

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Also, a thought just occurred to me: space tourism is becoming more possible and practical such that you no longer require the months & months of training. Granted, they don't go very far into space: the whole Dude Perfect thing was amusing because they only "just" crossed the boundary that technically delineates space and for that they want to jump up & down and declare themselves "astronauts"? Anyways, if the "evidence of your own eyes" is all that matters to you, then in the not too distant future you should be able do exactly that - go up in a rocket and see it for yourself.

Although I guess your world view means that the Dude Perfect crew were either conspiring with the space conspiracists or were themselves deceived in an incredibly elaborate hoax - can I ask which one you think it is?

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noodles2112 wrote:

Elroch - you want to call me daft yet your heliocentric high priest idol, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, claimed the earth is an Oblate Pear-Shaped Spheroid. 

That's because it is.

It is unfortunately too difficult for you to understand that description does not preclude it being only slightly different to a sphere.

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They have been promising space tourism before NASA even faked the Apollo moon missions so don't hold your breathwink.png They have inundated the masses with space fantasies since before Hollywood was invented. 

There was a very good reason why Kubrick's 2001- A Space Odyssey was released in 1968 prior to Apollo 11 1969. And should you decide to research NASA you shall discover Kubrick as well as Walt Disney as well as Nazi scientists as well as occultists Crowley, Parsons and Hubbard played major roles in getting NASA's propaganda weapon "off the ground" pun intended. 

I would implore you to really investigate NASA's claims of outer space adventures etc. with an open mind. 

I've been at this for about 10 years and discovered it really is not the fact that NASA fakes space adventures that concern most people, it is what the Lie(s) reveal that scares the HELL out of them...and so for most/many it is much easier and far less disturbing to pretend to believe the lie(s)! 

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Elroch - please show me a NASA Neil DeGrasse Tyson photo of this oblate pear-shaped spheroid spinning around in spacewink.png

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noodles2112 wrote:

They have been promising space tourism before NASA even faked the Apollo moon missions so don't hold your breath They have inundated the masses with space fantasies since before Hollywood was invented. 

So what are your thoughts on that Dude Perfect video I posted? Here it is again in case you missed the embedded link in my original post: https://youtu.be/YXXlSG-du7c 

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Obvious CGI was used for a lot of it. That much ought to be obvious.

I like when they say "this isn't real".... NASA is also well known for mocking the masses. 

Can you not see how this was done? Go to the 9 minute mark and watch how the earth changes shape right before your eyes. All the cuts/editing mean they did the anti-gravity scenes via parabolic maneuvers which can last between 30 and 45 seconds. NASA has referred to their Zero-G planes "Vomit Comets". 

They sure are going to extreme measures to try and keep a lid on the flat earth. Remember, Captain Kirk AKA William Shatner(actor) had to play his part several months ago with Bezos doing the exact same thing. 

Anyways, all one needs to see is how the earth changes shape right before their eyes in this video production to know this was a charade. It's main agenda is to keep the masses ignorant. 

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I saw the trailers and some clips and have no interest whatsoever of watching The Rings of Power. Jackson went too far with CGI in The Hobbit movies. I do not think he(or anyone else) will surpass what they did with The Lord of the Rings(especially The Return of the King).