nirvana & meditation

   That was the point, Jen. They are the same thing only if meditation is a tehnique. But there is no tehnique to achieve a fluid state of mind.

Yoga and meditation both acheive the same results writes Jenn, while proclaiming not to know the difference between the two.

Flip your hair to your heads content. Was that" A Blonde Said Joke "?

The goal of meditation is NOT to acheive a fluid state of mind. This is made up poo by a mal- content making ignorant comments to draw attention.

  Her logic was misunderstood: yoga and meditation are two ways of getting to the same place. That was her reasoning. No contradiction. To her, they both achieve the same results--no fundamental diference between them.

 I have understood that logic, despite not agreeing to it. Because I maintain that meditation is not a tehnique to achieve something, like silence.

Speaking so ill of other people md, impugns your own character.

Meditation is to calm the conscious and sub-consious mind allowing for the Universe not naturally enlighten you. Yoga is something many practicers of meditation use to the body physically wich also allows the mind to become calm. Although practicing yoga will not result to enlightenment unlike meditation. I would also like to add that meditation is something spiritual and not only physical. I do also practice transcendental meditation and anyone with further questions or arguments can go on youtube and find videos of maharishi talking about what transcendental meditation is and how it works.

  Even if that was the goal, it couldn't have been achieved with a tehnique. Like I said, systems do exist, practice exists for millenia, but it doesn't lead to a meditative state of mind, which is fluid: it simply leads to other things. If it doesn't lead to fluidity, it leads to rigidity, and from there, it uses a violent language to express it.

 So practice exists. as there are millions of practictioners. And what they practice is not meditation.

  There is nothing beyond a fluid state of mind, and I'm not talking about the flow felt by athletes at their peak--that is still not it.

  I would say it only shows how the state of mind he practices looks like, first hand.

    No need, one can look at how it works. The ever-fluid state of mind can never be achieved through practice, however fancy it may be called.

  There is no tehnique to make the mind calm, in a true sense. No shortcuts, no system, no practice. I am talking not of a static calmness, which is dead, but of a calmness that is ever flowing, never static.

  There are no means to calm the mind-a fluid calmness, which is not a theory, but a fact. It doesn't matter who said what. No practice, even logically, if it's not a fact to somebody, it can be seen. Practice leads to something rigid and static, not fluid.

  When that is not just a theory, all this is seen as false: there is no way to get there.

Lover of words, who seem to type so much. Instead of talking about theories, shouldn't you be meditating?

no.

Correct.  My understanding also.

And how does one achieve that?

Jenn, Jenn, Jenn....

  Well, Jenn, who said meditation is not part of life? Oops, I said that. Typing words, playing chess, running, talking, watching TV--if meditation is different from those day-to-day activities, it's not meditation, it's just an escape from life.

troy... answer#317

@ Troy7915, the point of meditation is to take time out your day to become calmer and thus enhance the rest of your life by doing so. And as many have said in this forum, the effects of meditation have been studied by scientists and it is proven to have many beneficial effects on your health. You donèt have to beleive that it will enlighten you or not but you should simply consider it for it's many health benefits.