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Apr 10, 2016
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#23
mdinnerspace wrote:
@trysts... nothing religeous or spiritual (although this word can have different meanings). It is a removel from perception, a state where nothing exists but the pure self. There exists no thoughts.
The "benifits" for the mind and body reguire further inquiry. There are several roads.
Toms obviously took a wrong turn in his road along the way .
There was a philosopher named Edmund Husserl, who looked for a way in which to find the "pure self". He called it "the transcendental ego". The method he developed is called "phenomenology". What Husserl did was to take the method used by Rene Descartes and catalogue it in such a way as to create a step by step process in a scientific/repeatable way. Descartes called his method a "meditation" of doubt--doubting everything, including perception, until he reached the beginning of philosophical inquiry. Descartes conclusion was that philosophy begins with the "Cogito", which for him was the "self". Husserl, went many many steps further to try to grasp the self. I don't think he was satisfied that he had achieved his goal before he died in 1938, but his meditative philosophy flourished and is still making an impact.
So, I don't know that such a thing as a transcendental ego(pure self) exists to experience even with the enterprise of trying to exclude all thought in order to experience it, but I think it remains unconfirmed from what I understand:)
I'm sure there's a self when I'm in a hurry to take a dump in the morning. Sorry for being so crude, but I think this sums up my point of view on the matter.
I thought everyone knew that nirvana is a state of bliss...Cobain seemed to miss this point, and for that I feel sorry. As for meditation, it does not always equate with having no thought. There exists both guided and unguided meditation. I thought I explained that in a previous thread. Meditation should not be equated with nirvana.
Apr 10, 2016
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#26
The goal of meditation is to get rid of thoughts. Eastern philosophy says that the true self can only be felt when there are no thoughts. The true self is a pure form of existence in the moment. Meditation is actually really useful for everyone as most human beings constantly think, they can not even stop their thoughts. This keeps them from being present to the moment. Meditation can reduce your thoughts and help you to use your mind as a tool which works on command. In that way you control your mind and not the other way around.
Apr 10, 2016
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#27
Md 11. I like that actually . Preconceptions . I'm open though in truth to knowing the reality of what exists . Good point though it's true that we all have a tendency to resist what challenges what we know or believe .
Apr 10, 2016
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#28
Trysts 12 . Me too ! There's got to be more to it than that , surely !
Apr 10, 2016
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#29
Md 22.
Both involve letting go of the past and the present then ?
I don't want no thought by the way . I might as well be dead !
Both involve letting go of the past and the present then ?
I don't want no thought by the way . I might as well be dead !
Apr 10, 2016
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#32
But you know trysts whether or not this true self exists is something I wonder too . How can we be certain of free will if we can't be certain of a true self ?
Apr 10, 2016
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#33
Nice kfass @ 26 . We are what we believe we are .
Sometimes though we get overconfident then are brought crashing back down to earth .
Buddy do you think people change ? Have you changed?
I think I'm a little more temperate though I'm not perfect . Change is a slow process no? I'm less compulsive lately I know .
Sometimes though we get overconfident then are brought crashing back down to earth .
Buddy do you think people change ? Have you changed?
I think I'm a little more temperate though I'm not perfect . Change is a slow process no? I'm less compulsive lately I know .
Apr 10, 2016
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#34
Pulp 28.
You know there is an animal . We all do . A self though ?
Perhaps the animal is like the rain in that everything it does is inevitable due to natural (not divine ) causes . Therefore no real self is present .
You know there is an animal . We all do . A self though ?
Perhaps the animal is like the rain in that everything it does is inevitable due to natural (not divine ) causes . Therefore no real self is present .
Apr 10, 2016
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#35
Cm tell me more about the meditation containing thought . That sounds interesting .
Apr 10, 2016
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#36
Cobain sure wasn't happy .
Can anyone ever make a healthy choice to kill themselves ? Does such a choice exist .
My experience is if we are our natural loving selves we can accept who we are and our lives .
Can anyone ever make a healthy choice to kill themselves ? Does such a choice exist .
My experience is if we are our natural loving selves we can accept who we are and our lives .
Apr 10, 2016
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#37
Til . Really nice and informative thank you . Could you tell me more about the true self please .
Apr 10, 2016
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#38
Kay do you know who you are ? Lately it seems all you are is an image you are trying to project . Everything is done for approval . Buddy what does it matter what people on the threads think of you . You don't even show who you are anyway . Never talk of how you feel or what you hold to be of importance . That's your choice of course I'm just finding you a little wearing . I just think you are so quick to criticise who other people are but you aren't showing yourself at all . That's a bit cowardly no ?
Apr 10, 2016
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#39
* Till ;)
No problem, I hope that you won´t open another thread and ask the same question though as I and many others already told you what meditation is. Again, in short it is to reduce your thoughts.
About the other part about the true self... You should read some books about eastern philosophy. If you don´t want to learn from the old masters you can also read the very popular book "the power of now" by Eckhart Tolle. The true self is basically what remains when you are fully present to the moment, Tolle states that you can actually feel it when you are free of any thoughts in the moment. What you are is the present moment, is life. That means every form of life is deeply connected.
Here is someone else...post 35 by Till_98 correctly defining the goal of meditation. When will you all learn?
TOM...no thought does not equate to death. Just the opposite. I said your mind was "feeble" Defined as weak of character. You do an excellent job of proving my point by refusing to accept anything but your mistaken judgement.
Meditation us about "letting go". No attachment to the past, present or future. Concentration involves thought, keeping the mind in the present. Meditation disolves all thought. Allows the mind and body to reach the state of nirvana.