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mdinnerspace wrote:

If the human mind did not "solve" we would be just another vegetable, food for the sharks.

Solving problems and mysteries is what defines us (excluding tom of course).

Troy wrote:

  So then, what is the solution?

md says:

Solution to ?

And please none if this crap that there are no solutions.

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tomtrytostay wrote:

No like our mind conceives a problem . Then we have a choice whether or not to solve it .

Troy asks:

  Are we different than the problem?

md says: idiots think otherwise

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BlargDragon wrote:

This is 23 pages long and my attention span is pretty short, so could someone tell me if a 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' reference has been made yet?

no but mchamster did mention the rock group in an early post.

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Troy I've just read some of your words and what it sounds like you're saying and if so I think I'd agree is that there is no self therefore the mind cannot be a tool of the self .

All these intentions are sign that we are deluded as in we hold the position we exist . Something like that ?
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That's interesting though md this idea that we've defined ourselves through solving problems .

I'm not sure though technological or societal advances came about through understanding through worrying . Worrying doesn't bring new information .

I have a feeling that being mindful and noticing what happens brings change .

So in not solving the problem (mentally ) you solve the problem (physically ) .

In fact solving the problem (mentally ) in terms of solving a problem with functionality such as a stutter causes anxiety which creates a vicious cycle .
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Troy are we the problems we conceive . Well in my new thread mapping I'm going to be being mindful and mapping what I see . My first thought though is that absolutely everything in our experience is us and probably outside of our experience too .

As truly we are nothing it's likely we are everything .

No free will means the universe is king .
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I think that it's very important to be mindful and stay in the moment .

An example .

I'm training at work and it's stressful . A fellow trainer hates me . Well at least one !

A trainee argues with me . Says things like I can't believe you are serious .

It's really wearing . Traumatic too . It ran through my mind during the night .

But you know I let it go and lived in the moment and now going into work I feel relaxed and ready to go with the flow .

I think if you stay calm and relaxed sooner or later things will brighten . I do mean well and I am trying to help .

That's our natural state . To be emphatic and caring .
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As expected, troy didn't answer the questions that I posed.  Not surprising though.  His answers or rebuttals are opaque.  I wonder what it would be like to be around him after he had been drinking? 

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In a nutshell tom, a problem for you means "worrying ". That is because you can never solve it correctly. Always ending up in contradictions. Even though your mind gets befuddled, your subconscious knows you are the fool, unable to think rationally. This is very typical of people with OCD. They recognize the problem on the conscious level, but the unconscious mind takes over and dictates a persons misguided obsessive behavior.

To most people a problem presents itself as a challange and is met head on. Trial and error and solutions are reached. This is too much for your brain to handle. Thus, you cop out and live in denial.

You recently posted a blog asking how to get better at chess. A few suggestions said 'study'. Your response was studying is not for you, a waste of your time. You wanted the magic pill, no work and all success.

A lazy mind, a lazy will, a self centered personality revolving around your insecurity as a person.

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Dropped the hammer.

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But of course it will be ignored. Next post (my crystal ball):

"I see what you're getting at troy, the meaning of the universe is natural. By not solving we live a life of love. I am happy" Thank you, I think I get it. Sincerely, tom

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tomtrytostay wrote:

I think that it's very important to be mindful and stay in the moment . An example . I'm training at work and it's stressful . A fellow trainer hates me . Well at least one ! A trainee argues with me . Says things like I can't believe you are serious . It's really wearing . Traumatic too . It ran through my mind during the night .But you know I let it go and lived in the moment and now going into work I feel relaxed and ready to go with the flow . I think if you stay calm and relaxed sooner or later things will brighten . I do mean well and I am trying to help . That's our natural state . To be emphatic and caring .

Is it remotely possible tom that the fellow trainee had a valid observation of your obsessive, compulsive behavior?

Absolutely not says tom. I am a caring person, that's all that matters. Just because I'm a self centered SOB is no reason for him to tell me off.

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Nice Md .
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How exactly is that related to nirvana and meditation though ?
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Try addressing my criticism tom. I slammed you pretty hard. Respond with your gut. This baloney that I am just a mean person, you are the emphatic and caring picked on poor lost soul is pathetic. Don't runaway and hide, be a man (oops, problematic) and stand up for yourself.

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"There is a fundamental law of nature which said that, left to it's own devices, things move in circles."

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Has to do with your ideas (all contradictions) on the topic. Posters bring up points of view and differing observations. You squelch everyone one of them with your never ending self centered problems. Leave your problems behind if you're truly interested in the topic.

Read your 1st post stating you know little of the subject. Why fill the pages with what you 'think' you know?

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Okay thank you . Well I agree with you this whole you're mean I'm nice exchange is a waste of time .

I don't think be a man means to argue with you md . Anyway there are many wonderfully brave women.

As for my position I would say that currently it's under review .

I'm thinking about the direction I'm going to take re the threads .

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tomtrytostay wrote:
Okay thank you . Well I agree with you this whole you're mean I'm nice exchange is a waste of time .

I don't think be a man means to argue with you md . Anyway there are many wonderfully brave women.

As for my position I would say that currently it's under review .

I'm thinking about the direction I'm going to take re the threads .

Tom, md is like a realistic guru trying to set a novice on the path.  One good method is: No holds barred, take no prisoners!  If you can get past his assertiveness you may have some good quality reflecting time.  Good luck. 

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