.. Since, we Both seem, to be 'tieing up', perceived, 'loose ends'.. I'll let you be, {once more}, the more meticulous, of us.. Philosophical/ existential, pontificators. <- {a 'footnote' of whatever} ..tee-hee .. Enjoyed it ! .. Thanks ?!
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The point was: name one belief you saw in what this guy is saying.
.. I assume, you're referring to my last posted quote image .. Which, I thought, was an interesting 'take' by him, On his way of looking at, a 'paradox' <- key word.
Although, it's Not a 'belief', in the common sense of the word, 'belief'; I have to assume, that he could back it up, in his Own mind ! .. If, not.. We'll likely Never know .. Which, would make him, something less, than being, totally 'honest' <- Not that, Any of us, necessarily Are !? .. A 'debate' question, perhaps, in itself .. Which, I'll, in advance, perhaps.. 'pass' on.
The guy was troy, as one was referring to his beliefs. Name one belief one saw in what he was saying.
.. Well, for one.. If, 'off topic'.. You last referred to yourself, in the 2nd or 3rd person ..{since English locution, isn't my forte}.. Nonetheless, most people, would consider that, unusual ! ..{but, Not illegal - ha !} ..
And, as for your 'beliefs'.. You obviously know, when a belief, is presented, that is at variance, with your Own, 'point-of-view'.. Regardless, of how exactly, that process, took hold, in your life.
So, even though, I could Only quote your 'beliefs'.. {which, you Do in fact have !}.. Based, on citing the words & sentences, you 'wrote'.. {an unnecessary 'make-work' exercise}.. Sorry, to 'pop' your metaphorical 'balloon'.. of you presumably, unlike, the rest of us - Not being encumbered, by 'beliefs'; But, nothing, as I see it, could be Further, from the 'truth'!
.. As it, {your own 'beliefs'/ way-of-looking-at-things}.. Is obviously manifesting, your distaste, {at best}; For what seems like, 99%, of All 'belief' systems! -- Hey, if, you find that personally satisfying, & liberating .. Who, is Anyone, to say, that, you're certifiably, 'Nuts' .. Which,'btw', I Don't think, you are.
.. Just, unaware, of a 'Key' outside agent', if you will.. That, respects, our individual freedom, to make our own {minor}, choices ! .. Otherwise, known, as, 'Limited, Free Will' .. A, conclusion, I've 'bought' into..{adopted}... Having, previously come from; A, More Expansive, apprehension, of that.
We are not interested in anyone's conclusions here. They are based on beliefs.
So, to come back, name one belief and explain why you think it's not a fact, in your own words, no quotes, please.
.. Well, for one, {not to seem, sarcastic} - But, there's, No money, in that ! .. Plus, our mutual understanding, of what constitutes, a 'point' and 'counterpoint' if-you-will; Is Not even, in 'ball-park' alignment !
I think, our mutual disconnect, has evolved into, something 'Worse', {if that be the word}, than, the 'oldie', 'bestseller'.. "Men are from, Mars; Women are from, Venus."
.. God-speed ! ..{oops !}
So you cannot name one. Ok.
To continue, how does perception change?
.. I sense that I 'care' .. Marginally, More, than you do.. But even That, is a matter, of 'perception'. o:
There are no levels: you either care or you don't. And if you care about yourself, that is a misnomer.
Caught in the illusion of oneself, one does everything to defend that illusory structure. It will do anything in its power to defend the shelter which gives it some sense of security. One of the ways to do that is to invent an outside factor—displaying total inattention—and so in that inattention, which is also confusion, all the care is directed towards one's sense of security.
Yet care has nothing to do with security or oneself. Care comes into being only when one is not.
So how is perception to change? Don't answer it just yet.
Can one deny all the answers that come to mind? Then the problem is solved!
no solution was the last you said me
One can say it a thousand different ways, Carolina, but it seems that the person hearing it can't help it anyway, and their minds are always searching for a solution, consciously or not. So what can they do? They cannot resist it, for that is the same movement; they cannot ignore it, for then it continues anyway, subconsciously; and 'watching' it is one of the oldest tricks in the book, because then the so-called watcher trains itself into deliberately thinking so that it can catch them 'in full flight', an activity which further stimulates both the forming of an entity who's watching, and of the activity of thinking.
So what can be done? Nothing at all! But does one really see this? Or are they seeing it as an idea?
well i have read that watching thoughts is the way to know who you really are.......i mean when you want to know how a table is, or an apple or an object you just limit yourself watching it......and that process is objective when you want to know about something.......so it is said this is the same.....you limit yourself to know your reactions the way you think and pay attention to the observer........who is observing all that?......is the perciver and the perception the same one?....when you just observe without judging is the only form to know about something......but i know what you are going to say me...........that all this is the same movement ..............in the surface all moves.............its like the clouds and the sky..........the sky does not matter what happens with the clouds, if they are a lot, if they are strong, big, and more..........the sky is always the same whatever happens with the clouds.........it is still and without movement.........but if you think in terms of clouds you will always identify yourself with them and not with the grater sky......
the perception is in function of who you believe you are..............where you put your attention is what defines you.........put your attention in your center.......in that part of you who is still, quite without movement and you will have one experience of peace and love independat of the external level or put your attention in your thoughts, external life, body...........and you will have other experiences...........the whole thing is a matter of where you put your attention.
Thinking in terms of the sky is still thinking, Carolina. The exact imagery matters not, what counts is the imagery itself, so it's the same process.
See, we are already slipping down the imagery slope when you say 'when you observe without judging'...In reality, judging does happen. Ignoring it or forcing it to stop only helps strengthening that process of judging.
Go step by step, without trying to 'see clearly' or whatever, but just to see what happens. The mind does this judging anyway--one thought and boom, the label is there. Then what do you do? Do you leave that label--which is a decision denying observation--and pursue another thought?
Or do you pursue the new label, which then is met by an instant new label of the previous label? And then again you can go two ways, both of whom have nothing to do with observation at all. It's just thinking looking at itself with more thinking. The whole movement reinforces itself.
This is where pursuing thoughts leads--there are only two directions to go, both of which lead nowhere but the division between various thoughts, strengthening the importance given to some as opposed to others. However, it's the same movement and stillness is not.
The mechanism being gone, beliefs are gone. What one says is a belief to another, but to us they are facts.
Either something is a fact or it is a non-fact: either way, beliefs have no meaning. One doesn't consider them to have meaning when they are meant to deal with the insecurity inside: that would be the logic for their existence, but being crooked—because insecurity is not only still there, it is also covered up—it has no meaning. Logical (even crooked logic is logical, within a particular system), but meaningless.