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.. 'Imho'; The "Dalai Lama's" view, is No more an 'illusion'; Than two seeming parallel lines, that imperceptably become closer, as their length increases, {representing, competing individuals interests}.. Ultimately may converge ; Yet, No amount of drawing paper, will be able to show, that convergence ; In some instances.

 

This hypothetical thought illustration ; Also involves, Many 'parallel lines', {representing people}.. Where eventual convergence ; Is Not a given. - Any more, than "Billy Graham" let's say .. and, "Charles Manson," will one day be sitting at the same 'campfire', singing 'Kumbiyah'{sp?}  [ :

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 That's what thought does, it represents things, nothing wrong here.

 

 The problems occur when it represents something that doesn't exist. It uses the word 'love' to depict somthing it never experienced, or if it did it's long gone by now, so it tries to reach something it no longer exists—by going back to a past experience.

  Or it depicts an entity that is in control, but which doesn't quite exist. The problems occur then when it presents fiction as reality. Then conflict is inevitable.

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.. A Non-sequitur, Perception, link !

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troy7915 wrote:
MEXIMARTINI wrote:

sounds like a lot of drama troy...I've had enough drama...

 

  You who? Do you think you are separate from that drama? Or is the self attempting to separate itself from the same movement it belongs to, by saying 'I'm bored, tired, this is not me. So it begins to move in what it thinks is a new direction.

 Only it's not: it's the same movement and the same direction.

 

 

No.  Not true.  We are not stuck in the same movement or direction.   What a terrible thought.

 

daily we should strive for perfection.  Positivity.  Keep moving forward.   No matter how poor, how wealthy one is, how much negativity has been thrown upon us, we keep moving forward.  

 

Why would you encourage misery on misery?

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 I'm not, this your interpretation.

 

  In reality, 'positivity' and 'negativity ' are one and the same movement. And what keeps this movement going, with all the hopes, fears, excitements and pain going is the perception that the two are separate. 

  There is a perception of a fragmentation within that movement, without which the whole of it would collapse, all the suffering would end.

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.. I know, that it comes natural to preface one's own Perception angle, by saying : 'In reality'; So as to give it, a perceived boost of authority, {I'm probably guilty of the same, in times past}.. But since perceptions, are as wide as the 'Sargasso Sea', and about as Deep ; It's almost, a 'No-brainer' to observe, that, as far as Perceptions go ; One man's 'Reality'; Is another man's, {or woman's}, idiotic belief !

.. To state, 'imho'..{in-my-humble-opinion}, is Much more, accurate !!

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 We are not interested in opinions, except with noting what is an opinion—and therefore discard it—and what is not. When looking at something there is only one fact and one only, while opinions about such a fact are aplenty. 

  And when an opinion is present, one is not looking, his past memory, of the kind that creates a mental shelter, is active, and the fact cannot be seen. Opinions divide people and lead to war;seeing the facts never does.

  But to be free of opinions is an ardent thing: one has to be free of the desire to be secure, and then they would not look at an authority such as an invented god, but instead the very seeing of the fact becomes the only authority that exists: irrespective of what the 'looker' wants or doesn't want, or of what silly or brilliant books they read, or whatever past experiences they had.

   So while every moron can offer an opinion about anything, to be free of opinions happens only when one is completely free as a person, free from looking for validation, from searching for a mental security that doesn't exist, in a word, free. 

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music break in honor of the word....free...

 

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Nope. The melody of that tune has nothing to do with the movement of freedom!!

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.. How {troy}, pray-tell ; Does your Own, understood 'facts'; Differ, from your Own perception, and-or opinion {?}; Of which my own understanding, is that those two 'adverbs'{?}, or words, for sure ..{perception-and-opinion}, are pretty much the same thing !

 

.. Also, it's somewhat common, for 'facts' to be in dispute ; As witness, the fading{?} controversy, over '9-11', plus many other events ; Even generally agreed upon 'facts'; Subject, to interpretation; Ie., 'Flat earth'.

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Facts can be in dispute, outwardly, as the angle of the witnesses, their speed of movement in relation to the event they were witnessing, their distraction at the time with various thoughts, the time passed from the time of the event, all that varies, so its recollections vary.

 However, what one thinks about those events, their acceptance or condemnation, their sympathy or antipathy of the people involved, all that is something else. That's what a point of view is: what one thinks about the fact. And to not think anything about the fact is the only way to look at a fact.

 If I'm watching a bird while I'm thinking about its scientific name, about the whole knowledge that exists about that bird, I am missing the actual thing that is alive in front of me. On top of that knowledge which prevents me from seeing the actual bird, there is also my opinion about it, what I think about it, do I like it or do I dislike it. 

 We were encouraged to be 'opinionated' ever since we were kids, hence a common question in convos is 'what do you think about it?' It is only when I think nothing about it that I can actually see 'it' as it really is in front of my eyes, right there and then, which is always slightly different than it appeared a second ago.

 

  To be free from all opinions is the only way to see a fact, but that is a tall order for most people, because it needs a freedom they never experience.

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.. For some time now ; 'troy' appears to be, in-the-lead ; As epitomizing, the following quote ; Even though, that Too, is a perception.

.. Leaving aside, whether it would 'win' a vote tally, or not !?

 

Ps., For-the-record ; I don't doubt, that I would place second ! .. lol

 

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The above quote implies that we are a compact entity. But are we? Physically we are, but what about mentally?What is that thing that we call 'ourselves', that is 'our self'?

 

  This is what artists do, they express themselves, their selves, that is. Which is what? They express some form of misery, pain, regrets, hope in a better future—which implies fear—and so on. Then we identify with that pain, it resonates with us and one says 'What a great piece of art.' 

 

  One doesn't stand up to the whole thing by saying: 'NO MORE SUFFERING.'

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.. To Most 'Deep' thinkers, of such, longstanding, the 'Way things Are' realities ; You're the 1st person, I've encountered that, seems to devote an unknown, {to 'moi'}, quantity of your time ; Trying to 'square' a virtual circle, {Ie., eliminate suffering}.

 

It sounds trite ; But, Good luck, to you, in coming up with a satisfactory answer ! .. Whilst, the rest-of-us, are much more concerned, with more limited means, of Adaptation ; In the course, of admittedly, acting more-or-less, like 'sheeple'!

 

Ergo ; How long, have we been in 'Afghanistan' for No good reason? ..{rhetorical} ; And once we agitate successfully, {if ever}, to disengage, from there ; 100 million or so, Other 'problems' of varying magnitudes, await !

 

Ergo - It's a 'problem' & suffering matrix ..{most, ultimately unsolvable}, Of which we're, but-for-a-short-time, living in. ..{d-u-h ?!}

.. Minor 'adaptation', on display ..{see below}

 

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.. Without 'Fear'; We would Not be challenged, nearly as much.. Thinketh, More-than-a-few !

 

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.. On that basis, {see below}.. It'll be another day, of squeezing lemons, for All their worth !  o:

 

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.. Could it be, that Most 'world-view' opposites ; Could 'sign-on' to the following statement {?}.. Anyway ; Aside, from the 'buddhist monk' in the background ; It seems, Non- specific, enough ! o:

 

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Flank_Attacks wrote:

.. Without 'Fear'; We would Not be challenged, nearly as much.. Thinketh, More-than-a-few !

 

 

 

  Yes, but Kristen Stewart is a moron!

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Flank_Attacks wrote:

.. On that basis, {see below}.. It'll be another day, of squeezing lemons, for All their worth !  o:

 

 

 

  Says 'the bad'! Right? Because the violent, fearful mind, which is the mind of everyone one Earth, has no idea what 'good' really is. So whatever it's projecting, it is still violent and fearful, the projections being its own baby,