School is harder than average adult life

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Do not listen to the doordash driver that lives with his parents and works only the hours he wants to. If you think grade school or high school is tough, you are in for a rude awakening later as an independent adult supporting yourself, and that rude awakening will be directly proportional to how much you slacked off on your education now.

If school is hard for you, you need to buckle down and learn...it's just not that tough if you pay attention and do a modicum of studying. If school bores you and is too easy, learn stuff on your own. Build webpages. Try graphical design. Learn music theory...whatever you are enthusiastic about.

If you kill your love of learning or allow others to do it for you, life in general will become a decades long slog for you.

If your parents are paying for private school anyway, ask them to look at self-paced and self-driven education like Montessori schools (and yes, there is such a thing as Montessori high schools).

If you smartphone your life away, you will probably live paycheck to paycheck, and spend weekends recovering from your job, spending your free cash on alcohol, weed, or other kinds of escapes. Corporate America is more than happy to let you do things this way...you will make a good consumer...always buying stuff to take your mind off your troubles, always in credit card debt, etc.

That might all sound harsh, but it's not...this is the time in your life when you can have the greatest impact on your future...ironically, the teenage years are full of distractions and imagined rebellions that mean nothing later on. What you are angsty about now goes away the moment you get out of school and out of your parent's house.

Teenagers think they have no control. This is actually not true. You can start taking control of your own education (in school and out), you can get a job/internship, you can start to form real relationships instead of passing around notes like middle school, and you can start branching out in directions you want to instead of others deciding for you.

That is already summed up. If you can't fathom that or handle more than one paragraph at a time in discussions, you're going to have issues later...

That's the TikTok talking...force yourself to read a whole book, minimum 300 pages. One chapter a day makes it pretty easy once you get going, and it will do wonders for your attention span.

I'm not the OP.

Wow, though.

The book doesn't have to be non-fiction, try something like The Fountains of Paradise by Arthur C. Clarke.

1st of all, all an independent adult supporting yourself means is that you have a job, and use that income to pay for your own place, food, bills..etc, that's it, millions of people do it without issue. All of the other adult freedoms more than compensate for that added stress of supporting yourself. And choosing to still live at home (assuming household isn't toxic), to save even more money, is not morally wrong in the slightest.

The value of most of what you said is greatly diminished when forced. Just your reducing it to "teenage angst" (I'm 25 with a college degree), exactly proves my point. "Adults" flip out over far less. All of those problems with the school system are real and need immediate reform. And the damage of all that is irreversible. Notice I didn't say "school is pointless" (most of it is) but I never said abolish it. I said it's harder than a typical work routine even if parts of it are necessary. I said simply increase the freedoms and autonomy and make the hours reasonable, and replace the whole "well-rounded"/common core/forced curriculum with actual real world classes, Oh, and pay students a small amount for succeeding (incentivizing it). "Love of learning" does not put food on the table. And have an Option to work instead of finishing school. One can always go back to school, but money and freedom are often immediate needs depending on your living situation.

If teens could do all those other things without needing parental consent for 3/4 of it (including medical care/mental health treatment which is absurd and a blatant violation of their fundamental human rights), maybe you'd have a point. But the fact that the laws in this country are basically set up so that someone could work while in school up until 17 but require a cosigner on their bank account for being underage, allowing a parent to spend all of their hard earned money, and then legally kick them to the streets the day they turn 18, clearly shows the main problem here, a lack of basic common-sense rights.

Allowing "branching off" would mean setting up schools that don't waste endless time on excessive core requirements and give kids a wide range of electives to choose from that sample and math their interests. And teach all of that "adult supporting yourself" stuff so that it will be LESS stressful when the time comes. What it comes down to is Health is a higher priority than education and money does in fact buy happiness, or at the very least, no $$$ guarantees less happiness.

The way compulsory school is currently set up does more damage to the mind than education. And the fact that you get to make fun of "he's still a delivery driver after college" further proves my point, not yours lol. It's not that deep, I just have empathy.

More like 1200-1400 pages. Well, that's a poor choice on their part and speaks more to hazing "we did this so now you have to go through it too, it will be good for you" than to your education/edification...War and Peace being perhaps the number one example of a long book that is famous for being hard to read due to the length.

Tolstoy is good though if you are already acclimated to reading a lot. My favorite quote of his:

"I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot (burden) by all possible means - except by getting off his back."

A great analogy for wealth versus poverty.

That guy argues endlessly in an ultra-paranoid global warming thread, and is coming over here to tell you guys that actual health concerns are just from "whiny rebellious teens", as him and a few other people over there flip out over a 1 degree temp increase every 20-30 years (if that). Typing 5+ paragraphs in a post while warning you about "smartphoning your life away" while another guy from that thread has like 12 accounts here.

I'm not sure I would be the one sounding like I am flipping out here. But it is your thread, feel free to block me if you like.

I could see arguing school is about the same difficulty as working an intense full time job. But the psychology is still different. With a job you are getting paid for every hour you work, and are accomplishing stuff, saving up money for a house/other goals/future careers...etc. School you do all this random arbitrary mental work, sacrifice energy and mental health, all just to get a number at the end, that ultimately may not matter at all in your future. And the lack of all those adult freedoms can make it impossible for any human being to cope with that. Again this is because of how it's currently structured, not because of "denying the value of education". I never did that once here. All the "angst" as people call it, is from repression, all of that stress building up for too long, does not in anyway mean the emotional reaction/reasoning is baseless. Adults tend to be more the ones (including me) that flip out over more pointless things, but good physical health and the basic principle of being compensated for your effort in a real-world way, such as getting paid to go to school, are totally justifiable things to want.

That's a whiny adult thing.

I don't block people I control my emotions and try to reply if I want.

I respect free speech and the constitution, but more importantly, people's basic human rights. And people in school and/or under age 18 are not any less human nor does their suffering carry any less weight.

Free speech and the Constitution do not apply to Chess.com forums and the TOS, but you already know that. Blocking people may or may not have anything to do with being whiny or emotional. There is no causality chain there, and nobody has trampled on anyone's rights.

Your post up top of this quoted section would probably be the whiniest sounding thing being exchanged right now, objectively speaking. All I have done is offer a well-grounded rebuttal of your original premise, and posters are free to decide what to take from it.

God I’m saving this and emailing every last educational official that I can with this.

So you're 25? Big deal. You're still a kid, not a true adult. The TRUE "young adults" are people in their 30s, with families (or without, in some cases), with true adult responsibilities like home costs (property taxes too, not just mortgages, mind you), children costs, life costs in general. OP, you're just a twentynothing whining about an adult life that you're not quite prepared for, so just quit complaining. Come back in ten years or so and whine THEN (when you've truly got something to complain about!)...

hey guys, to OP, could you repost #1 into shorter posts because im on mobile and it cuts off.. im really interested in this and would love to read more

Skill issue tbh just get a PC or go on ur browser

#124 I have something to say, mind you I’m only fourteen in a healthy, stable country. But listen to this guy, its not like he’s yabbering on about how being a 25 year old is “easy” and “fun”, he’s spreading the much needed awareness of the contrast that exists between school life and adult life. Keep in mind that hes studied this for years on end and has only decided to post this, not because hes trying to under exaggerate adult life, but because its a real life issue that many kids at school face. Now if youre one to talk, tell me how painful, horrific and deadly your life is. Suicide rates are undeniably higher for school-kids and one might say its because brain development hasn’t quite completely finished and that may influence your choices and whatnot. That may be true but Id like you to ask a school-kid how many assignments they have at the moment, how pissed they are at life and how screwed they think the education system is. The vast majority of kids will have something negative to say and thats not something to just laugh off and say “nah actually shut up, adult life is real”.. Adult life can be harder because 90% of the time its something necessary that you have to complete or have done. School? Lots of it is unnecessary bullsh*t that kids really dont have to be put through and its clearly creating a mental struggle for teens and young adults around the world. Something needs to change and its not us. Believe me.

And hate to break it to you, Elon Musk fan.. But Elon was borderline nepo-baby. His father ran an emerald mining industry and made all the money he needed, then handed it over for Elon to play god with. No hate against Elon other than the whole DOGE crap and whatnot. Cant hate that he runs Tesla and Space-X, hes just a creepy guy who takes credit for a ton of things while also still standing as the worlds richest man. Still, no hate. Also please dont turn this more political than this already almost is.

I know that this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I disagree. It can’t be as bad as you made it out to be, EE. 

For starters, a lot of people in an office have to work and spend hours with people who value you much less than a raise or a promotion. I’ve heard and seen a lot about politics at work. When one of my father’s friends was in danger of being demoted, everyone left him. He got promoted, instead, and then he was helpful, altruistic, and the world’s greatest friend and boss. In school, you have friends. Yes, they might be fake, but they’ll help you get through the hours without having to question the meaning of life.

While people are clocked for every minute, a significant portion of the population lives paycheck to paycheck. Getting slightly less on one could prove devastating to their finances.

And paying kids to go to school sounds wrong. Yes, it is unpaid labor, but that labor benefits nobody but you (sometimes not even you, but I’ll get to that later). Your average student who isn’t eligible for the bonuses will get $6000 per year, which translates to about 516,000 Indian Rupees. My school fees are about 300,000 Indian Rupees. Who’s going to be paying that? The school? It’ll go bankrupt quickly, considering it’s losing more on every child than it’s making. It would kill private schools. The government? I’m not going to comment on anything it’s doing or has done, but adding to the government’s worries doesn’t sound great. I’m talking about every government.

You’re proposing paying people to learn. I don’t know much about the United States’ education system, but in India that only happens for doctorate students. Nobody is actually exploiting these people. Schools are getting the parents to pay, not the students, which is quite different from corporations, which gain something from you working with them. You’re gaining something from school.

I know that this post might be attacked because of my age, but I haven’t got it much easier. I have to spend a number of hours every day with people who call themselves the ‘alpha sigmas’ (don’t ask). My dad periodically tells me to learn things above my grade level and gives me surprise tests.

That said, as I’ve repeatedly stated, the education system needs a revamp. I do think that people shouldn’t be forced to learn integration. There are a lot of other things that they could do with their time.