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badger_song wrote:

Optimissed, perhaps you should consider the idiom---

"You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

When YOU post.

"But you can catch the most with dead squirrels" (Woody on Cheers.) I've also observed that you can catch a lot with fresh sh*t--perhaps that's why so much of that is shoveled onto this thread.

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I find it crazy how do many kids are given protection for their elbows and knees, I always thought that the bruises and scrapes were part of the fun.

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Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
PeaceandLove2U wrote:
MarkoHoog wrote:

54% of adults in the US have literacy bellow sixth grade, the literacy rate is 79% while the EU is 98% I would never say all Americans are illiterate but they are definitely not the best as a whole.

I dis agree with that hole hartedly.

https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/literacy-statistics

We shouldn't be too critical of the illiterate. They may someday grow up to be president, or even vice president. Where they might have to do things like try to read.

And who knows what would happen if you ever asked them a question. There is a good chance the response would resemble an unidentified foreign language.

We did that. It was a daily embarrassment. It did not end well, either. There was a revolt by his followers and now there are multiple indictments.

We'll see. I haven't heard about any indictments but lots of investigations and proposed investigations. Daily embarrassment? Obviously. And there is still over a year left. Although I believe there is a good chance something dramatic will happen between now and then. Maybe he'll step down "for medical reasons".

Your willed ignorance is getting harder to believe. I’m beginning to suspect that you know plenty about the 91 indictments and are pretending otherwise.

Of course, I’m not talking about the current President who was always a mediocre choice and yet has a record of accomplishments rarely matched.

I think it rather hard to believe that Biden's administration has accomplished anything which would not naturally have occurred. That means that zero has been rarely matched. In contrast Trump got the American economy going again. My impression of Biden is that he's a weak President and will go down in history as such. Trump, for all his possible criminal behaviour, which will have been exaggerated, will probably look better than Biden in hindsight.

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Festerthetester wrote:

The issue in the USA is that we have never had a single culture or language. What we had was a mix of Dutch and English initially. Then Germans and African slaves. Then Irish and Italian laborers. Then Chinese railroad workers. Then Mexican farm workers, Norwegian sheep herders, Jewish fur and diamond traders and French Canadians.

That anything resembling the "kings English' remains is a miracle.

There was no ancient "English" language that developed in to "the king's English", which is a hodgepodge of Celtic, Latin, Greek, German (Angles and Saxons), Danish and Norse (Normans), French, Dutch, and many words and expressions from various languages of the Empire.

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DiogenesDue wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

"Spawned" isn't the correct word unless you're talking about things I've said that have taken root and others believe them. Now, that may be the case but you're arguing for something diametrically different, so I wouldn't get all pedantic about 2003 instead of 2006 and then use metaphors which don't work. Gives the wrong impression.

I know you have a lot of knowledge, especially of the arts and of some facets of history. I don't think you're very convincing, though. You're obviously trying to protect your own back. In turn, that must mean that you feel a reason to. Why so defensive then? btickler has often told me that I would be lost and completely shown up in a conversation with the great Z. Obviously he's the last person to be capable of judging but you know what?

I'm pretty sure it's the other way round. Sure, you would **imagine** that you made lots of great points.

"btickler has often told me that I would be lost and completely shown up in a conversation with the great Z."

You would, yes, but I have not actually said that. You just make up most of what you say.

I'm just reading some of your stuff lost in the mists of yesterday. You aren't half a liar, you know. Oh, I suppose you do know.

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MarkoHoog wrote:

Interesting, in the UK I have no knowledge of anything quite like that it likely has something to do with the size of the US and it's proximity to countries with particularly distinct cultures.

It's because almost everyone in the US came here within the last few generations, from everywhere in the world.

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lfPatriotGames wrote:

We shouldn't be too critical of the illiterate. They may someday grow up to be president, or even vice president. Where they might have to do things like try to read.

And who knows what would happen if you ever asked them a question. There is a good chance the response would resemble an unidentified foreign language.

Why is everyone so harsh toward George W. Bush. He did try his best.

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Eldred_Woodcock and Fester,of course I'm speaking in hyperbolye to make a point,but the exaggeration aside,the point has truth to it.Most Americans,using their native language are unable to write a technical memo, let alone something non-technical that must be very precise and accurate. Most Americans couldn't definition of a sine, cosine or tangent -- let alone define a mathmatical function or demonstrate how to solve one.. If you cannot,at a minimum do those things,you are practically innumerate for the 21 st century. If you are innumerate ,you are probably scientifically illiterate as well,so why would anyone expect the average person on the street to understand the complexities of todays problems that are rooted in science. Finally,the Grand Old Party ran a VP in 2008 who boasted of their own ignorance.The party today attacks any expert who holds opposing views as an "elite" as if being an expert is a liability, as well as being anti-intellectual in spirit.The fact that Conservatives elect Boebert,Greene,King,Stefanik,and others( its a long list) says alot about how they view actual technical,scientific,or academic expertise.If you search the web for looney NY Congresswoman, you will get a republican conservative.So yes,I think America is,when talking about the mass of the population, an utter mediocrity when it comes to native English skills, barely scientifically literate ,and all but innumerate---We the People, are an utter mediocrity.

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Optimissed wrote:
Festerthetester wrote:

In America we don't indict a whole family for the action of one member.

You possibly should though, because bad behaviour is caused usually by bad parenting. If a child needs psychotherapy, it is always the parents who really need it.

Don't be so hard on your mum and dad.

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MarkoHoog wrote:

I find it crazy how do many kids are given protection for their elbows and knees, I always thought that the bruises and scrapes were part of the fun.

Crazy how many people use seat-belts,I thought driving was supposed to be liberating. Those constrictive safety harnesses kill the fun.

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badger_song wrote:
MarkoHoog wrote:

I find it crazy how do many kids are given protection for their elbows and knees, I always thought that the bruises and scrapes were part of the fun.

Crazy how many people use seat-belts,I thought driving was supposed to be liberating. Those constrictive safety harnesses kill the fun.

Is more fun to plumet to the ground

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Peace---Safety should never be foremost, it's a killjoy.

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Ah well.

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Optimissed wrote:
Festerthetester wrote:

In America we don't indict a whole family for the action of one member.

You possibly should though, because bad behaviour is caused usually by bad parenting. If a child needs psychotherapy, it is always the parents who really need it.

Is that Randy Andy's excuse?

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MarkoHoog wrote:

I find it crazy how do many kids are given protection for their elbows and knees, I always thought that the bruises and scrapes were part of the fun.

Peroxide? Merthiolate? Kid's stuff. Mercurochrome? Getting there. Iodine? Now we have a wound!

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Optimissed wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
PeaceandLove2U wrote:
MarkoHoog wrote:

54% of adults in the US have literacy bellow sixth grade, the literacy rate is 79% while the EU is 98% I would never say all Americans are illiterate but they are definitely not the best as a whole.

I dis agree with that hole hartedly.

https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/literacy-statistics

We shouldn't be too critical of the illiterate. They may someday grow up to be president, or even vice president. Where they might have to do things like try to read.

And who knows what would happen if you ever asked them a question. There is a good chance the response would resemble an unidentified foreign language.

We did that. It was a daily embarrassment. It did not end well, either. There was a revolt by his followers and now there are multiple indictments.

We'll see. I haven't heard about any indictments but lots of investigations and proposed investigations. Daily embarrassment? Obviously. And there is still over a year left. Although I believe there is a good chance something dramatic will happen between now and then. Maybe he'll step down "for medical reasons".

Your willed ignorance is getting harder to believe. I’m beginning to suspect that you know plenty about the 91 indictments and are pretending otherwise.

Of course, I’m not talking about the current President who was always a mediocre choice and yet has a record of accomplishments rarely matched.

I think it rather hard to believe that Biden's administration has accomplished anything which would not naturally have occurred. That means that zero has been rarely matched. In contrast Trump got the American economy going again. My impression of Biden is that he's a weak President and will go down in history as such. Trump, for all his possible criminal behaviour, which will have been exaggerated, will probably look better than Biden in hindsight.

After the longest period of sustained job growth in American history, Trump came into office and

a) turned things around

b) built on the success of his predecessor

c) did nothing at all

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#3974 another person with a great childhood.

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Ziryab----

...or d) tried to burn the house down.

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mpaetz wrote:
Festerthetester wrote:

The issue in the USA is that we have never had a single culture or language. What we had was a mix of Dutch and English initially. Then Germans and African slaves. Then Irish and Italian laborers. Then Chinese railroad workers. Then Mexican farm workers, Norwegian sheep herders, Jewish fur and diamond traders and French Canadians.

That anything resembling the "kings English' remains is a miracle.

There was no ancient "English" language that developed in to "the king's English", which is a hodgepodge of Celtic, Latin, Greek, German (Angles and Saxons), Danish and Norse (Normans), French, Dutch, and many words and expressions from various languages of the Empire.

The difference is time. England took quite a bit longer to get to where it is than the US. Even in England there are dialects clearly different from one another but still basically 'English'. I suspect had the world not grown so much smaller with travel so fast and easy that the US language would eventually evolve away from anything people in Europe speak.

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I'm just trying to help Dio find his marbles. happy

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