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RonaldJosephCote wrote:

I just wanna add about the "race" argument that Hollywood still has a race problem. We heard about it last year at the Oscars where a lot of black actors & producers wearn't being shown or nominated. It just reinforces that even thou civil rights laws were passed in the 60's....... its gonna take a long time for them to be enforced.

My thing about the race thing, is that I don't buy into that fantasy, I just don't. It's a fantasy that people buy into or get manipulated into. To me that's just something I don't comprehend. Although I do realize that anyone who is obsessed with race is often a racist. The left often focus on race and the right buys into it.

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Not that Ziryab has refuted much of anything, haven't addressed most points either.

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RonaldJosephCote wrote:

Morgan Freeman did a show on CNN recently about the 101st Tank Squadron from WW2. An all black squadron who fought just as hard if not harder than other squadrons.

No surprises, they are just people like anyone else

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RonaldJosephCote wrote:

Here's something I don't think many Americans know about...... Black jockeys and horsemen dominated the sport of Thoroughbred racing, from the first Kentucky Derby in 1875 through 1903, right before the Jim Crow era pushed them out. In fact, 15 of the first 28 Derby winners were ridden by Black jockeys. And ever since 1903, there has not been a black rider.

Most people don't know that. Heck we may never see another Civil Rights movement ever again either. Everything is so polarized now, almost as if by design

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The USA is such a silly place.The list of problems faced would fill volumes--- from super-fund clean ups,to farm-land degradation, to inequity---however we choose to focus on who gets to use which bathroom, pronouns, and whether Andersson's Little Mermaid can be a black girl or not.The real reason aliens have not contacted us is that they are afraid they will become stupid.

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Diogenes is going for the throat! happy.png

This may be something to ponder on .... five years or so ago, I was taking a long walk and I remember walking along the canal at Haigh, working out a possible plan for the manipulation of gold and silver. The plan was that big players would use gold and silver prices, which normally correlate positively with one-another. If there's a financial panic, these players sell off assets; typically gold; to pay their short term bills and the silver price, which normally correlates positively, also drops. Obviously gold drops when it's being sold. The silver price is far more volatile than gold, so the % changes tend to be vastly more and typically, when the next income comes in, they will buy silver, for a short-term speculation to recoup some lot funds. The silver price shoots up and they sell off some of it to replace the lost funds. My idea was that someone is going to get the idea of manipulating the prices of gold and silver so that they are peaking and diving conversely. It would be possible for a big operator to significantly influence the markets in this way, just as that guy around 1981 attempted to corner the entire World's stock of silver. Gold is a speculative commodity only and has no significant industrial use, compared with silver.

I think I've noticed, although I haven't been paying all that much attention, that this converse relationship I predicted five years ago, between gold and silver, is starting to happen. The idea is that a big enough player can manipulate the prices in a way that looks natural and wrongfoot the opposition into selling when they should be buying. If someone does manage to corner a large proportion of the World's silver, which when I last looked isn't being mined as fast as it's being used, then they have no need to take a quick profit and sell. The price will remain high ... maybe three times as high as it is at present, at a guess. They merely sell just a little less than enough to satisfy demand.

I was wondering if any "socialists" here have any opinions on this conjecture. Also I thought that @lfPatriotGames, if and when she returns, will be vaguely interested in my thoughts on the matter. Patriot was being very badly trolled, demeaned and insulted, along with alexlehrersh, for daring to hold opinions that don't coincide with the "great brain that rules all" of Diogenes and the various other trolls. It's questionable whether she will return, such was her absolutely disgusting treatment at the hands of those we all now know as trolls.

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PeaceandLove2U wrote:

Not that Ziryab has refuted much of anything, haven't addressed most points either.

Maybe you should say something specific.

There’s nothing to address when your argument is ā€œrace is a fantasyā€.

Real estate covenants in northern states still contain racial restrictions. It is staggering how many of these remain on the books even now.

https://www.findlaw.com/realestate/owning-a-home/ccrs.html

https://inside.ewu.edu/racial-covenants-project/

That’s some fantasy.

Your claim that people who reveal racism are the real racists is an old twist that right-wing pundits have deployed for decades. When the claim has any substance at all (yours doesn’t), it presents an argument (usually convoluted) that a lack of color blindness perpetuates racism. The argument holds water as well as a paper sack.

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Optimissed wrote:

Gold is a speculative commodity only and has no significant industrial use, compared with silver.

Inconvenient facts: https://geology.com/minerals/gold/uses-of-gold.shtml

Nit-picking, of course. But, as a famous American general stated so eloquently in defense of one of the most shameful episodes of racial genocide, ā€œnits make lice.ā€

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badger_song hat geschrieben:

The USA is such a silly place.The list of problems faced would fill volumes--- from super-fund clean ups,to farm-land degradation, to inequity---however we choose to focus on who gets to use which bathroom, pronouns, and whether Andersson's Little Mermaid can be a black girl or not.The real reason aliens have not contacted us is that they are afraid they will become stupid.

The leftextrem started it. The other peples only push back

Your knowledge of history is deficient.

You need to read:

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We need some music.

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Optimissed wrote:

Diogenes is going for the throat!

This may be something to ponder on .... five years or so ago, I was taking a long walk and I remember walking along the canal at Haigh, working out a possible plan for the manipulation of gold and silver. The plan was that big players would use gold and silver prices, which normally correlate positively with one-another. If there's a financial panic, these players sell off assets; typically gold; to pay their short term bills and the silver price, which normally correlates positively, also drops. Obviously gold drops when it's being sold. The silver price is far more volatile than gold, so the % changes tend to be vastly more and typically, when the next income comes in, they will buy silver, for a short-term speculation to recoup some lot funds. The silver price shoots up and they sell off some of it to replace the lost funds. My idea was that someone is going to get the idea of manipulating the prices of gold and silver so that they are peaking and diving conversely. It would be possible for a big operator to significantly influence the markets in this way, just as that guy around 1981 attempted to corner the entire World's stock of silver. Gold is a speculative commodity only and has no significant industrial use, compared with silver.

I think I've noticed, although I haven't been paying all that much attention, that this converse relationship I predicted five years ago, between gold and silver, is starting to happen. The idea is that a big enough player can manipulate the prices in a way that looks natural and wrongfoot the opposition into selling when they should be buying. If someone does manage to corner a large proportion of the World's silver, which when I last looked isn't being mined as fast as it's being used, then they have no need to take a quick profit and sell. The price will remain high ... maybe three times as high as it is at present, at a guess. They merely sell just a little less than enough to satisfy demand.

I was wondering if any "socialists" here have any opinions on this conjecture. Also I thought that @lfPatriotGames, if and when she returns, will be vaguely interested in my thoughts on the matter. Patriot was being very badly trolled, demeaned and insulted, along with alexlehrersh, for daring to hold opinions that don't coincide with the "great brain that rules all" of Diogenes and the various other trolls. It's questionable whether she will return, such was her absolutely disgusting treatment at the hands of those we all now know as trolls.

So your grandiose fantasies occur in all walks of life, apparently.

The computer industry would be very surprised to hear that gold is not useful in printing circuit boards. Gold is a more durable and better conductor, but most importantly, it doesn't corrode as easily as silver. I would think you knew this already, polishing your knickknacks for the flea market and whatnot...

As for the other posters you mentioned, they are being taken to task for misinformation and ill-considered opinions, just like you are, and just like all reasonable adults should be. Stop quacking nonsense about vaccines. scientific theories you don't know much about, politics, etc. and you (and they) would find that people largely ignore you. But of course, that's why you post in the first place...because you hate being ignored in your life. That is the essence of a troll.

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badger_song wrote:

The USA is such a silly place.The list of problems faced would fill volumes--- from super-fund clean ups,to farm-land degradation, to inequity---however we choose to focus on who gets to use which bathroom, pronouns, and whether Andersson's Little Mermaid can be a black girl or not.The real reason aliens have not contacted us is that they are afraid they will become stupid.

Spot on!

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Ziryab wrote:

It appears that the far right think tank, Cato Institute, took a sharp turn to the left.

https://www.cato.org/blog/trumps-toast-folks

Or maybe, because they employ lawyers, facts still prevail in their world.

As a historian, do you know where the terms left and right came from? Not French or Russian, but American left and right?

I heard the term left originally meant "opposite of right". Other origins have it as "weak, foolish, crooked, twisted, and considered suspicious" . Doesn't the word sinister have it's root in the word left?

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Ziryab wrote:
PeaceandLove2U wrote:

Not that Ziryab has refuted much of anything, haven't addressed most points either.

Maybe you should say something specific.

I have, but you would probably ignore it again.

There’s nothing to address when your argument is ā€œrace is a fantasyā€.

It is a fantasy, it will always be fantasy. It only exists due to people perpetuating it's existence as a modern thing, rather than denouncing it and breaking it down to the basics of what it is doing. It should be regulated as a bygone failure from long ago. Racism toĀ allĀ races will continue as long as given validation. It is not something inherent, it is a fantasy that is bought.

Real estate covenants in northern states still contain racial restrictions. It is staggering how many of these remain on the books even now.

From what I read, it doesn't seem racial, it seems economical. There are poor people discriminated against all the time. People of all races, over the last 40 years, who grew up in all sorts of poor neighborhoods have a person who got out of the impoverished and became successful.

https://www.findlaw.com/realestate/owning-a-home/ccrs.html

https://inside.ewu.edu/racial-covenants-project/

That’s some fantasy.

Your claim that people who reveal racism are the real racists is an old twist that right-wing pundits have deployed for decades. When the claim has any substance at all (yours doesn’t), it presents an argument (usually convoluted) that a lack of color blindness perpetuates racism. The argument holds water as well as a paper sack.

Anyone who focuses on race, outside of use in an historical context, is validating it's existence. There are many ways of resolve issues revolving around such without ever bringing race into it. Otherwise that will just keep the cycle going, and instead of one race thinking better it would go to another.

That whole color blindness thing is just silly. I am not right wing

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DiogenesDue wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Diogenes is going for the throat!

This may be something to ponder on .... five years or so ago, I was taking a long walk and I remember walking along the canal at Haigh, working out a possible plan for the manipulation of gold and silver. The plan was that big players would use gold and silver prices, which normally correlate positively with one-another. If there's a financial panic, these players sell off assets; typically gold; to pay their short term bills and the silver price, which normally correlates positively, also drops. Obviously gold drops when it's being sold. The silver price is far more volatile than gold, so the % changes tend to be vastly more and typically, when the next income comes in, they will buy silver, for a short-term speculation to recoup some lot funds. The silver price shoots up and they sell off some of it to replace the lost funds. My idea was that someone is going to get the idea of manipulating the prices of gold and silver so that they are peaking and diving conversely. It would be possible for a big operator to significantly influence the markets in this way, just as that guy around 1981 attempted to corner the entire World's stock of silver. Gold is a speculative commodity only and has no significant industrial use, compared with silver.

I think I've noticed, although I haven't been paying all that much attention, that this converse relationship I predicted five years ago, between gold and silver, is starting to happen. The idea is that a big enough player can manipulate the prices in a way that looks natural and wrongfoot the opposition into selling when they should be buying. If someone does manage to corner a large proportion of the World's silver, which when I last looked isn't being mined as fast as it's being used, then they have no need to take a quick profit and sell. The price will remain high ... maybe three times as high as it is at present, at a guess. They merely sell just a little less than enough to satisfy demand.

I was wondering if any "socialists" here have any opinions on this conjecture. Also I thought that @lfPatriotGames, if and when she returns, will be vaguely interested in my thoughts on the matter. Patriot was being very badly trolled, demeaned and insulted, along with alexlehrersh, for daring to hold opinions that don't coincide with the "great brain that rules all" of Diogenes and the various other trolls. It's questionable whether she will return, such was her absolutely disgusting treatment at the hands of those we all now know as trolls.

So your grandiose fantasies occur in all walks of life, apparently.

The computer industry would be very surprised to hear that gold is not useful in printing circuit boards. Gold is a more durable and better conductor, but most importantly, it doesn't corrode as easily as silver. I would think you knew this already, polishing your knickknacks for the flea market and whatnot...

As for the other posters you mentioned, they are being taken to task for misinformation and ill-considered opinions, just like you are, and just like all reasonable adults should be. Stop quacking nonsense about vaccines. scientific theories you don't know much about, politics, etc. and you (and they) would find that people largely ignore you. But of course, that's why you post in the first place...because you hate being ignored in your life. That is the essence of a troll.

When you're a moron, anything even vaguely intelligent, said by someone else, is a grandiose fantasy.

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(If you were somewhat more intelligent, you might be able to see that you're hopelessly outclassed. Now for Heaven's sake, stop making a fool of yourself.)

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PeaceandLove2U wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
PeaceandLove2U wrote:

Not that Ziryab has refuted much of anything, haven't addressed most points either.

Maybe you should say something specific.

I have, but you would probably ignore it again.

There’s nothing to address when your argument is ā€œrace is a fantasyā€.

It is a fantasy, it will always be fantasy. It only exists due to people perpetuating it's existence as a modern thing, rather than denouncing it and breaking it down to the basics of what it is doing. It should be regulated as a bygone failure from long ago. Racism toĀ allĀ races will continue as long as given validation. It is not something inherent, it is a fantasy that is bought.

Real estate covenants in northern states still contain racial restrictions. It is staggering how many of these remain on the books even now.

From what I read, it doesn't seem racial, it seems economical. There are poor people discriminated against all the time. People of all races, over the last 40 years, who grew up in all sorts of poor neighborhoods have a person who got out of the impoverished and became successful.

https://www.findlaw.com/realestate/owning-a-home/ccrs.html

https://inside.ewu.edu/racial-covenants-project/

That’s some fantasy.

Your claim that people who reveal racism are the real racists is an old twist that right-wing pundits have deployed for decades. When the claim has any substance at all (yours doesn’t), it presents an argument (usually convoluted) that a lack of color blindness perpetuates racism. The argument holds water as well as a paper sack.

Anyone who focuses on race, outside of use in an historical context, is validating it's existence. There are many ways of resolve issues revolving around such without ever bringing race into it. Otherwise that will just keep the cycle going, and instead of one race thinking better it would go to another.

That whole color blindness thing is just silly. I am not right wing

For a moment there, it almost seemed that you were going to make the case that race is a social construction. That would have put you in concert with Critical Race Theory. Alas, you didn't follow through well.

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You need to look at the text of the covenants to make your argument that they are really about something else. Good luck.

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Ziryab wrote:
PeaceandLove2U wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
PeaceandLove2U wrote:

Not that Ziryab has refuted much of anything, haven't addressed most points either.

Maybe you should say something specific.

I have, but you would probably ignore it again.

There’s nothing to address when your argument is ā€œrace is a fantasyā€.

It is a fantasy, it will always be fantasy. It only exists due to people perpetuating it's existence as a modern thing, rather than denouncing it and breaking it down to the basics of what it is doing. It should be regulated as a bygone failure from long ago. Racism toĀ allĀ races will continue as long as given validation. It is not something inherent, it is a fantasy that is bought.

Real estate covenants in northern states still contain racial restrictions. It is staggering how many of these remain on the books even now.

From what I read, it doesn't seem racial, it seems economical. There are poor people discriminated against all the time. People of all races, over the last 40 years, who grew up in all sorts of poor neighborhoods have a person who got out of the impoverished and became successful.

https://www.findlaw.com/realestate/owning-a-home/ccrs.html

https://inside.ewu.edu/racial-covenants-project/

That’s some fantasy.

Your claim that people who reveal racism are the real racists is an old twist that right-wing pundits have deployed for decades. When the claim has any substance at all (yours doesn’t), it presents an argument (usually convoluted) that a lack of color blindness perpetuates racism. The argument holds water as well as a paper sack.

Anyone who focuses on race, outside of use in an historical context, is validating it's existence. There are many ways of resolve issues revolving around such without ever bringing race into it. Otherwise that will just keep the cycle going, and instead of one race thinking better it would go to another.

That whole color blindness thing is just silly. I am not right wing

For a moment there, it almost seemed that you were going to make the case that race is a social construction. That would have put you in concert with Critical Race Theory. Alas, you didn't follow through well.

.
You need to look at the text of the covenants to make your argument that they are really about something else. Good luck.

Because I don't agree with CRT, as should be obvious, I don't believe in promoting or validating racism in anyway.

Also, that "Good luck" I don't believe you one bit, that's just show

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But people keep perpetuating racism by buying into that power fantasy, and thus cycle will never end, we will go from one race having dominance to another

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