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Optimissed wrote:

Just stop trolling. You have clearly shown that you are an unintelligent person, who is also bigoted and dishonest. There is zero chance you could recognise anything remotely clever.

Stop trolling.

I'm not the troll here, and I'm not going anywhere. If you persist, it's is inevitable that you will blow a gasket and get muted again, so I recommend you figure out some new way to handle your contorted little worldview and your need to be seen as smarter than everyone else.

I will point out that you have never demonstrated any of the things you claim are clearly shown.

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Optimissed wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

It appears that the far right think tank, Cato Institute, took a sharp turn to the left.

https://www.cato.org/blog/trumps-toast-folks

Or maybe, because they employ lawyers, facts still prevail in their world.

As a historian, do you know where the terms left and right came from? Not French or Russian, but American left and right?

I heard the term left originally meant "opposite of right". Other origins have it as "weak, foolish, crooked, twisted, and considered suspicious" . Doesn't the word sinister have it's root in the word left?

Only in left-handedness. I think the origins of left/right in politics is from where some seating was in a council chamber.

Yes, the French definition of right/left. I was wondering about the American origins.

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HimalayanSaltLampLicker wrote:

im the troll

UR MOM

Eh, that's pretty weak. And talk about wasting time, lol

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PeaceandLove2U wrote:

My thing about the race thing, is that I don't buy into that fantasy, I just don't. It's a fantasy that people buy into or get manipulated into. To me that's just something I don't comprehend. Although I do realize that anyone who is obsessed with race is often a racist. The left often focus on race and the right buys into it.

Perhaps this is because in Argentina more than 97% of the population is of European ancestry (with a small admixture of Native American DNA) and less than 1/2 of 1% has any African ancestry. In the US Africans were imported by the thousands (and bred) to be slaves--not actually people, but chattel like horses or wagons. In the Southeastern quarter of the US this situation lasted for centuries, and even after slavery was abolished the European-American population maintained the same attitudes, using government power to keep the "inferiors" in their place. (A condition NOT confined to the South.)

Once national laws were passed prohibiting segregation, years of lawsuits followed, muddying attempts at amelioration, and only twenty years later the Reagan administration decided that everything was now hunky-dory and cut back on enforcement. There is still an outcry any time measures are taken to improve the lot of African-American citizens.

Compounding the problem, the many generations of discrimination has left the bulk of the African-American population on the lower rungs of the economic system. Amazingly enough, impoverished poorly-educated "outcastes" of society are more likely to engage in criminal activities and outbursts of social discontent, drawing down more police enforcement on them.

When members of the oppressed groups (and their sympathizers) voice their discontent and demand justice, too many people have the "we already solved this problem, just shut up" attitude and blame those who have less wealth, fewer job opportunities and less respect for all their own problems, as the privileged types don't want to feel any discomfort.

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DiogenesDue wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

It appears that the far right think tank, Cato Institute, took a sharp turn to the left.

https://www.cato.org/blog/trumps-toast-folks

Or maybe, because they employ lawyers, facts still prevail in their world.

As a historian, do you know where the terms left and right came from? Not French or Russian, but American left and right?

I heard the term left originally meant "opposite of right". Other origins have it as "weak, foolish, crooked, twisted, and considered suspicious" . Doesn't the word sinister have it's root in the word left?

Only in left-handedness. I think the origins of left/right in politics is from where some seating was in a council chamber.

Sinister comes from Latin, and means simply "left". How did it become a word that meant "evil"? Because ignorant people who believe in things like witchcraft gave the word that connotation during the Dark Ages. They were superstitious, believed conspiracy theories, and took common words and phrases and contorted them into something negative, because they were bitter and afraid of the world around them...sound familiar? It describes a number of people on this thread.

The notion that "right" actually meant "correct" is laughable.

So why did you need to tell us that it's laughable? What's happening in your mind? Or to your mind?

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HimalayanSaltLampLicker wrote:

im the troll

UR MOM

She died. I miss her like I miss all the people who are no longer around.

Except we say "mum".

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mpaetz wrote:
PeaceandLove2U wrote:

My thing about the race thing, is that I don't buy into that fantasy, I just don't. It's a fantasy that people buy into or get manipulated into. To me that's just something I don't comprehend. Although I do realize that anyone who is obsessed with race is often a racist. The left often focus on race and the right buys into it.

Perhaps this is because in Argentina more than 97% of the population is of European ancestry (with a small admixture of Native American DNA) and less than 1/2 of 1% has any African ancestry. In the US Africans were imported by the thousands (and bred) to be slaves--not actually people, but chattel like horses or wagons. In the Southeastern quarter of the US this situation lasted for centuries, and even after slavery was abolished the European-American population maintained the same attitudes, using government power to keep the "inferiors" in their place. (A condition NOT confined to the South.)

Once national laws were passed prohibiting segregation, years of lawsuits followed, muddying attempts at amelioration, and only twenty years later the Reagan administration decided that everything was now hunky-dory and cut back on enforcement. There is still an outcry any time measures are taken to improve the lot of African-American citizens.

Compounding the problem, the many generations of discrimination has left the bulk of the African-American population on the lower rungs of the economic system. Amazingly enough, impoverished poorly-educated "outcastes" of society are more likely to engage in criminal activities and outbursts of social discontent, drawing down more police enforcement on them.

When members of the oppressed groups (and their sympathizers) voice their discontent and demand justice, too many people have the "we already solved this problem, just shut up" attitude and blame those who have less wealth, fewer job opportunities and less respect for all their own problems, as the privileged types don't want to feel any discomfort.

Neat, thanks

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mpaetz wrote:
Optimissed wrote: 

While the naive reasoning that the Sun has risen on thousands of times makes it likely it will rise again, the scientific reasoning is to construct a theory of gravity, deduce the dynamics of the Solar system and predict the future evolution of the bodies within it. This is what leads to the scientific prediction that the Sun will rise tomorrow.

No, no--you are confused. The sun isn't "coming up", the horizon is moving down.

When I'm standing on a level playing field and it's sunrise, the sun rises relative to my field of vision and it's the same for all of us unless we're standing on our heads in Australia. Mind you, the other side of the World from you is India, so make that India. happy.png

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Optimissed wrote:

So why did you need to tell us that it's laughable? What's happening in your mind? Or to your mind?

Because it's laughable. As is the notion that the terminology must have different "origins" in America, as if America never gets anything from elsewhere...

You don't agree with it yourself, and you posted as much. What's happening to *your* mind that you cannot read anything without assuming some imaginary (and some might say sinister) backstory for it?

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Optimissed wrote:

Diogenes is going for the throat!

This may be something to ponder on .... five years or so ago, I was taking a long walk and I remember walking along the canal at Haigh, working out a possible plan for the manipulation of gold and silver. The plan was that big players would use gold and silver prices, which normally correlate positively with one-another. If there's a financial panic, these players sell off assets; typically gold; to pay their short term bills and the silver price, which normally correlates positively, also drops. Obviously gold drops when it's being sold. The silver price is far more volatile than gold, so the % changes tend to be vastly more and typically, when the next income comes in, they will buy silver, for a short-term speculation to recoup some lot funds. The silver price shoots up and they sell off some of it to replace the lost funds. My idea was that someone is going to get the idea of manipulating the prices of gold and silver so that they are peaking and diving conversely. It would be possible for a big operator to significantly influence the markets in this way, just as that guy around 1981 attempted to corner the entire World's stock of silver. Gold is a speculative commodity only and has no significant industrial use, compared with silver.

I think I've noticed, although I haven't been paying all that much attention, that this converse relationship I predicted five years ago, between gold and silver, is starting to happen. The idea is that a big enough player can manipulate the prices in a way that looks natural and wrongfoot the opposition into selling when they should be buying. If someone does manage to corner a large proportion of the World's silver, which when I last looked isn't being mined as fast as it's being used, then they have no need to take a quick profit and sell. The price will remain high ... maybe three times as high as it is at present, at a guess. They merely sell just a little less than enough to satisfy demand.

Two Wall Street big-wigs, James Fisk and Jay Gould, had a clever plan to manipulate gold prices in the US in the late 1860s, they almost cornered the gold market but on 9/24/1869 (Black Friday) their plan backfired, the price of gold collapsed to near-zero, the stock market lost 20% of its value in one day and many banks failed, leading to a severe nationwide depression.

Probably such a scheme is unworkable, but go ahead and try. Fisk and Gould had enough $$ left in their railroad holdings to buy the best lawyers, bribe some judges, and influence enough Congressmen to sail through scot free.

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The Koch billionaires of Texas are heavily invested in Silver. Not sure if that makes them Socialists.

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lfPatriotGames wrote:

As a historian, do you know where the terms left and right came from? Not French or Russian, but American left and right?

I heard the term left originally meant "opposite of right". Other origins have it as "weak, foolish, crooked, twisted, and considered suspicious" . Doesn't the word sinister have it's root in the word left?

Yes, sinister is Latin for left, so it was convenient to use it as the opposite of "right" in the sense of "do the right thing".

The "left" and "right" terms in politics DO come from the French Revolution. When the Estates General met at the king's request in 1789 (for the first time since 1614) the elected representatives soon clustered together in like-minded groups when attending sessions. The staunch loyalists to monarchy, nobility through birth, and rule by the born elite and the uncompromising advocates of changing to an elected parliamentary system sat as far from each other as they could, radicals on the far left, reactionaries on the far right.

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mpaetz wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Diogenes is going for the throat!

This may be something to ponder on .... five years or so ago, I was taking a long walk and I remember walking along the canal at Haigh, working out a possible plan for the manipulation of gold and silver. The plan was that big players would use gold and silver prices, which normally correlate positively with one-another. If there's a financial panic, these players sell off assets; typically gold; to pay their short term bills and the silver price, which normally correlates positively, also drops. Obviously gold drops when it's being sold. The silver price is far more volatile than gold, so the % changes tend to be vastly more and typically, when the next income comes in, they will buy silver, for a short-term speculation to recoup some lot funds. The silver price shoots up and they sell off some of it to replace the lost funds. My idea was that someone is going to get the idea of manipulating the prices of gold and silver so that they are peaking and diving conversely. It would be possible for a big operator to significantly influence the markets in this way, just as that guy around 1981 attempted to corner the entire World's stock of silver. Gold is a speculative commodity only and has no significant industrial use, compared with silver.

I think I've noticed, although I haven't been paying all that much attention, that this converse relationship I predicted five years ago, between gold and silver, is starting to happen. The idea is that a big enough player can manipulate the prices in a way that looks natural and wrongfoot the opposition into selling when they should be buying. If someone does manage to corner a large proportion of the World's silver, which when I last looked isn't being mined as fast as it's being used, then they have no need to take a quick profit and sell. The price will remain high ... maybe three times as high as it is at present, at a guess. They merely sell just a little less than enough to satisfy demand.

Two Wall Street big-wigs, James Fisk and Jay Gould, had a clever plan to manipulate gold prices in the US in the late 1860s, they almost cornered the gold market but on 9/24/1869 (Black Friday) their plan backfired, the price of gold collapsed to near-zero, the stock market lost 20% of its value in one day and many banks failed, leading to a severe nationwide depression.

Probably such a scheme is unworkable, but go ahead and try. Fisk and Gould had enough $$ left in their railroad holdings to buy the best lawyers, bribe some judges, and influence enough Congressmen to sail through scot free.

You need to be a billionaire to do it but what is interesting sometimes is watching the markets and comparing movement with buying advice from "experts".

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HimalayanSaltLampLicker wrote:

name a country where socialsim worked

Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, France, Germany, Netherlands

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I mean, in terms of the number of times the market falls just after the experts give their dubious "buy" advice .... mainly because they're holders and they want to sell.

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mpaetz wrote:
HimalayanSaltLampLicker wrote:

name a country where socialsim worked

Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, France, Germany, Netherlands

Didn't work in Germany at all. The French have never been socialist. Around 1972 the UK was probably the most socialist country in the world.

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Optimissed wrote:
mpaetz wrote:
HimalayanSaltLampLicker wrote:

name a country where socialsim worked

Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, France, Germany, Netherlands

Didn't work in Germany at all. The French have never been socialist. Around 1972 the UK was probably the most socialist country in the world.

Germany has done all right over the past 70 years. The French Constitution of the Fifth Republic declares the nation to be an "indivisible, secular, democratic and SOCIAL republic", not to mention the many times socialist parties have governed the country.

The UK is pretty socialist too.

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lfPatriotGames wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

It appears that the far right think tank, Cato Institute, took a sharp turn to the left.

https://www.cato.org/blog/trumps-toast-folks

Or maybe, because they employ lawyers, facts still prevail in their world.

As a historian, do you know where the terms left and right came from? Not French or Russian, but American left and right?

I heard the term left originally meant "opposite of right". Other origins have it as "weak, foolish, crooked, twisted, and considered suspicious" . Doesn't the word sinister have it's root in the word left?

Only in left-handedness. I think the origins of left/right in politics is from where some seating was in a council chamber.

Yes, the French definition of right/left. I was wondering about the American origins.

USA and France were allies of course, in the 1700s.

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mpaetz wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
mpaetz wrote:
HimalayanSaltLampLicker wrote:

name a country where socialsim worked

Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, France, Germany, Netherlands

Didn't work in Germany at all. The French have never been socialist. Around 1972 the UK was probably the most socialist country in the world.

Germany has done all right over the past 70 years. The French Constitution of the Fifth Republic declares the nation to be an "indivisible, secular, democratic and SOCIAL republic", not to mention the many times socialist parties have governed the country.

The UK is pretty socialist too.

I assumed you meant the German Socialist Government in 1922 or thereabouts, which collapsed and led to the Dritte Reich. Not sure when France has been socialist and I think never. Mitterrand was elected in 1981 and caused inflation and a monetary crisis immediately, so they had to reverse their socialist policies within a year.

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