Socialism on chess.com

I tend to think of France and their President as right wing, although I accept that there's a difference between fiscal socialism and political socialism. Politically they are right wing, supporting the E.U. as they do and trying to build yet another empire. I think fiscally they are also right wing, supporting the EU and Germany in its assaults on Italy and Greece. I rather detest the EU and am only sorry that Britain's exit didn't cause it to collapse. I'm aware that large power blocs are seen as stabilizing influences but that didn't work out in practice where Britain and the USA took Ukraine's side against Russia, although I accept and admit that my instinct was to do nothing and treat it as Russia's civil war.

As Einstein said, everything's relative. When the sun was rising in England around 6:00 AM GMT this morning, it was setting in New Zealand, and in Uzbekistan the sun couldn't be seen at all. And to an observer near Uranus it would be clear that the sun was not moving at all in relation to the Earth.

Yes, it is the Earth itself that is moving, and the sun does not "set", only your observation of it changes.

And that was a joke son, I say that's a joke.

This is beyond me, but if everything is relative, wouldn't an observer on, near, or in Uranus HAVE to observe the sun moving in relation to earth?

An American sense of humour is quite Einsteinian to us!

I'm staying away from Uranus though. Not going further than Wigan this week.

My daughter-in-law and therefore my in-laws are Finnish but they're Svenska so we get quite a bit of talk from Scandinavia. The consensus seems to be that in general Scandi is socialist in some aspects and not in others.

But you cannot deny that these nations, to varying degrees, have socialized many facets of their societies. New administrations change things here and there, the next election brings in those who make adjustments in the other direction, and so on.

If your definition of "socialism" is absolutist (only total state control qualifies), then you must realize that under that strict rule there are no capitalist countries either, as most modern societies have socialized some parts of their economy.

The EU is a right-wing entity?

Just like most everywhere else. Cuba has small-scale free enterprise in some areas of the economy; not totally socialist. Singapore's government owns a larger share of its economy's corporate shares than any other nation; not totally capitalist.

Where there is a long history of some socialized facets of the economy, and the overwhelming majority of the citizens wouldn't stand for the revocation of their "rights" to these "freebies", we can consider that those nations are "democratic socialist".

No. If the observer near Uranus was in a fixed position (not orbiting around the sun) they would see no movement of the sun, thereby leading them to the conclusion that it is the Earth that is moving.

What does "fixed position" even mean? I heard that the earth, and all the planets orbit around the sun. And the sun orbits around the middle of the galaxy. And the galaxy is always moving.

So whether someone is in a fixed position or not, wouldn't the sun HAVE to be moving in relation to the earth?

Or maybe not. That could be one of those air in the tank things that even Einstein wouldn't be able to figure out.

In the USA, medical care for senior citizens and the indigent has been socialized for several decades. Inasmuch as the intention behind this is to make the lives of the people better I guess you might think that socialized medicine is OK.

Maintaining a set distance from the sun along a direct line between the sun and the "galactic center" around which it orbits. Then the sun would not be moving in relation to the observer, and it would be obvious that the Earth is the body that is moving in relation to the sun. Even though the sun may be incrementally moving in relation to the center of the galaxy, Earth incorporates those movements into its path.

If you were sitting on a park bench watching a group of children playing tag, and a flagpole in the middle of the park was a "free space" even though you, the flagpole, and the whole of planet Earth would be hurtling in orbit around the sun and Earth turning on its axis, from your perspective the flagpole would not be moving even though its relation to the various children was constantly changing.

"Indigent" means the very poor. Indigenous is the pre-European population. Medicare takes part of everyone's earnings and uses the money to pay for medical care for those over age 65 and those who have become disabled. The idea is that such people are less able to labor and earn money to pay for their ever-more-expensive medical care. This makes life better for the elderly, their children who might otherwise face the economically crippling price of the parents' medical expenses, and gives everyone a degree of peace of mind concerning their "golden years".

The contributions are taken by government mandate, but the use of the system in old age is not required--you can buy more insurance or pay out of pocket if you wish. Does this make it voluntary or not to you?

Should a government nationalize the petroleum industry and an in individual chooses not to own an automobile or crosses the border to buy gas, would this make the nationalization voluntary?

Oh my. I play a few games of chess and when I’m done there’s another 200 posts.

Anything worth reading?

Socialism has made a return, and relativity has popped up.

What if it's mandated you must pay, but you can choose not to use it?

I don't consider nationalism right wing though. Small is beautiful. I consider empires rather right.

I see macron as right wing but I've had this discussion before. I'm not saying I'm correct ... it's just how I see him. He's pro-EU and anyone who's pro-EU is not to my taste. At least you and I agree there and more people may agree with your point of view than with mine.

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