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UnclePeet
I wonder why ppl come from all over the world to our hospitals? They must suck huh?
UnclePeet
Anyone living paycheck to paycheck likely deserves it
Problem5826
duntcare wrote:
Problem5826 wrote:
Woollensock2 wrote:
I like snoozmans comment # 80 .......it’s time the tables were turned, and the rich got poorer and the poorer got richer ✌️😎

 

You don't seem to be the least bit aware of the last 10 years of British political history - despite the English flag.

Starting with Cameron's austerity government (making absolutely brutal cuts to public spending), and ending in the outright rejection of socialist Corbyn who lost seats that were held for over a hundred years.

English people generally have a very (very very) poor view of welfare scroungers. Even things like begging are illegal here.

The disabled are a different matter, but even that was very heavily cut too.

Again, I don't know what planet you are on. Get a job or go without.

sadly this is not true in america

the democratic party claims they are solving this by making more taxes but this will not help

i need to move away from america probably, im thinking about europe, canada(sketchy since they are close to america) 

china WORKS But i also dont feel as comfortable moving to it as europe

 

Have you considered Cambodia?

Only joking, mate.

You seem properly ambitious - not in the "I want to be a pro gamer" sort of way.

My point there was to outline the actual state of the country over an entire decade relative to the member's fanciful troll-like comments. Which is obviously chalk and cheese: what's actually been happening opposed to the Robin Hood books he reads.

Problem5826
snoozyman wrote:



 

 

 

You seem to be very focused on that one policy, and you are being disingenuous about it.

Trickle down isn't about giving people money - it's about not taxing anyone's money unnecessarily. There's a quite obvious ethical difference.

I've already explained that we've had brutal cuts to welfare here in England, what I didn't include was that we've also had tax cuts that greatly help the WORKING poor too (it's called WORKING CLASS for a reason - that's what I support. Not losers, beggars and welfare scroungers). I seriously can't tell you how much I was laughing earlier last decade, working the occasional doss job, with these tax cuts coming in and living at home. It was so much on easy street that it wasn't even funny.

Anyone whining about the political philosophy is a complete and utter loser ime. OR you are American and never experienced a real rising right-wing in your lifetime.

Peet lives in New York which was absolutely buzzing during the 80's (rising right wing) and has gone to crap now (lefty muppetry). I'd like to hear about that.

People complain about England because we are relevant, buzzing, and doing our own thing. Seriously can't tell you how little I care about other European countries.

Still would probably recommend that the very ambitious young gent probably take his value to Asia though lol

snoozyman
UnclePeet wrote:
Anyone living paycheck to paycheck likely deserves it

 

I disagree, there are people all over the world born into poverty, like people in Africa, Asia, and war torn countries in the Middle East. It was NOT their choice, they were born into poverty. It is the same thing in the USA, poverty and wealth can be passed down. Many rich people  were born into wealthy families, for example the Walton Family, who inherited their wealth from the previous generation of the Walmart empire. It was NOT their choice to be born rich, it was a genetic accident that they won the genetic lottery ticket. In other words, you can be born rich without even trying and without even working a day in your life.

 

So why is this a problem? Because poverty is getting worse, the wealth gap is getting worse, and soon America will have NO middle class.....it will only have 2 classes, the poor and the rich....and then things will start getting out of control, expect a lot of crime, a revolution, and possibly a civil war. 

Problem5826
snoozyman wrote:
duntcare wrote:
snoozyman wrote:
duntcare wrote:
snoozyman wrote:

 

 

this is stupid

your expecting a democratic socialism government

this owuld crash our economy

 

No, more like Nordic countries like Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Denmark, etc....with free universal healthcare, more labor unions, and better wages. Yes, I know they are capitalist countries, but they're doing a lot better than the USA, the richest country in the world, which by the way is richer than the entire EU combined. Instead, we're seeing more of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpyHhrDgG5A

 

 

 

u realize the that is caused by nothing but yourself

u realize that right

european systems wont work because they believe making the rich richer is how to make hte poor richer

so its a different systematic but less people agree so even if america's system is bad u cant just change it to the benefits for hte poor

who going to pay ur healthcare

its a democratic country

what if i can say screw the poor im not paying taxes for it

im not but people are not obligated to pay for it, i would move if that happened

i do support helping the poor but paying 50% of my money for it is no 

 

Ah yes, the ole' "the reason you are poor is because it's your fault" argument. That's a classic one. When 78% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck is because it's their fault, you start to realize something is wrong here. I'll give you a very easy example:

 

 

Let's say for example there is a park bench with NO Wet Paint sign. Now you sit on it and accidentally get wet paint on your clothes. Well who's fault is that? Clearly is your fault right? Because you should have check the chair for wet paint before sitting on it. Okay, fair argument. But not everyone is smart, IF only 1 out of 10 people sit on the bench and get wet paint on themselves. Okay, but WHAT IF 78% percent of people get wet paint on themselves....all because there was NO WET PAINT SIGN.....No you begin to wonder....is it their fault? Or is it the problem with the system? If it was "designed" like that or if it's some idea of a sick prank, than who's fault is that, the people or the pranksters? I'll let you decide that one.

 

 

 

I don't need some nonsense analogy. I worked with people in difficulty for nearly a year.

With a few exceptions (such as disability and old-age), a lot of people in difficulty are there because of stupidity or/and laziness. Are either just incapable or it's in their DNA to drop out doing things like smoking weed and watching TV/playing video games. No amount of care is ever solving that, trust me. You need to just work around it as a society and drag any leeches along with you for the ride.

I'd ask what steps you have taken to help the destitute, and what your conclusions were. You seem to be all about it.

One of my grandparents was a very prominent trade-unionist, and the other was a trade unionist that got in with gypsies by very seriously helping their people as a man of value (very far from a scrounging beggar with his hand out). And it goes on from there.

I'm not the sort who needs an after-school special from anyone. It's possible that I've forgotten more about the practicalities of socialism than you will ever know. I certainly know the difference between helping solid people and enabling stupid crap.

snoozyman
Problem5826 wrote:
snoozyman wrote:
duntcare wrote:
snoozyman wrote:
duntcare wrote:
snoozyman wrote:

 

 

this is stupid

your expecting a democratic socialism government

this owuld crash our economy

 

No, more like Nordic countries like Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Denmark, etc....with free universal healthcare, more labor unions, and better wages. Yes, I know they are capitalist countries, but they're doing a lot better than the USA, the richest country in the world, which by the way is richer than the entire EU combined. Instead, we're seeing more of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpyHhrDgG5A

 

 

 

u realize the that is caused by nothing but yourself

u realize that right

european systems wont work because they believe making the rich richer is how to make hte poor richer

so its a different systematic but less people agree so even if america's system is bad u cant just change it to the benefits for hte poor

who going to pay ur healthcare

its a democratic country

what if i can say screw the poor im not paying taxes for it

im not but people are not obligated to pay for it, i would move if that happened

i do support helping the poor but paying 50% of my money for it is no 

 

Ah yes, the ole' "the reason you are poor is because it's your fault" argument. That's a classic one. When 78% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck is because it's their fault, you start to realize something is wrong here. I'll give you a very easy example:

 

 

Let's say for example there is a park bench with NO Wet Paint sign. Now you sit on it and accidentally get wet paint on your clothes. Well who's fault is that? Clearly is your fault right? Because you should have check the chair for wet paint before sitting on it. Okay, fair argument. But not everyone is smart, IF only 1 out of 10 people sit on the bench and get wet paint on themselves. Okay, but WHAT IF 78% percent of people get wet paint on themselves....all because there was NO WET PAINT SIGN.....No you begin to wonder....is it their fault? Or is it the problem with the system? If it was "designed" like that or if it's some idea of a sick prank, than who's fault is that, the people or the pranksters? I'll let you decide that one.

 

 

 

I don't need some nonsense analogy. I worked with people in difficulty for nearly a year.

With a few exceptions (such as disability and old-age), a lot of people in difficulty are there because of stupidity or/and laziness. Are either just incapable or it's in their DNA to drop out doing things like smoking weed and watching TV/playing video games. No amount of care is ever solving that, trust me. You need to just work around it as a society and drag any leeches along with you for the ride.

I'd ask what steps you have taken to help the destitute, and what your conclusions were. You seem to be all about it.

One of my grandparents was a very prominent trade-unionist, and the other was a trade unionist that got in with gypsies by very seriously helping their people as a man of value (very far from a scrounging beggar with his hand out). And it goes on from there.

I'm not the sort who needs an after-school special from anyone. It's possible that I've forgotten more about the practicalities of socialism than you will ever know. I certainly know the difference between helping solid people and enabling stupid crap.

 

Yes I agree there's a lot of lazy people in the world, because the world is changing fast, especially since the invention of smartphones. That being said, I still truly believe there are a vast majority of hardworking people struggling to make ends meet and never getting ahead, no matter how hard they work or what they choose to accomplish. It's the sad truth.

Problem5826
snoozyman wrote:
Problem5826 wrote:
snoozyman wrote:
duntcare wrote:
snoozyman wrote:
duntcare wrote:
snoozyman wrote:

 

 

this is stupid

your expecting a democratic socialism government

this owuld crash our economy

 

No, more like Nordic countries like Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Denmark, etc....with free universal healthcare, more labor unions, and better wages. Yes, I know they are capitalist countries, but they're doing a lot better than the USA, the richest country in the world, which by the way is richer than the entire EU combined. Instead, we're seeing more of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpyHhrDgG5A

 

 

 

u realize the that is caused by nothing but yourself

u realize that right

european systems wont work because they believe making the rich richer is how to make hte poor richer

so its a different systematic but less people agree so even if america's system is bad u cant just change it to the benefits for hte poor

who going to pay ur healthcare

its a democratic country

what if i can say screw the poor im not paying taxes for it

im not but people are not obligated to pay for it, i would move if that happened

i do support helping the poor but paying 50% of my money for it is no 

 

Ah yes, the ole' "the reason you are poor is because it's your fault" argument. That's a classic one. When 78% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck is because it's their fault, you start to realize something is wrong here. I'll give you a very easy example:

 

 

Let's say for example there is a park bench with NO Wet Paint sign. Now you sit on it and accidentally get wet paint on your clothes. Well who's fault is that? Clearly is your fault right? Because you should have check the chair for wet paint before sitting on it. Okay, fair argument. But not everyone is smart, IF only 1 out of 10 people sit on the bench and get wet paint on themselves. Okay, but WHAT IF 78% percent of people get wet paint on themselves....all because there was NO WET PAINT SIGN.....No you begin to wonder....is it their fault? Or is it the problem with the system? If it was "designed" like that or if it's some idea of a sick prank, than who's fault is that, the people or the pranksters? I'll let you decide that one.

 

 

 

I don't need some nonsense analogy. I worked with people in difficulty for nearly a year.

With a few exceptions (such as disability and old-age), a lot of people in difficulty are there because of stupidity or/and laziness. Are either just incapable or it's in their DNA to drop out doing things like smoking weed and watching TV/playing video games. No amount of care is ever solving that, trust me. You need to just work around it as a society and drag any leeches along with you for the ride.

I'd ask what steps you have taken to help the destitute, and what your conclusions were. You seem to be all about it.

One of my grandparents was a very prominent trade-unionist, and the other was a trade unionist that got in with gypsies by very seriously helping their people as a man of value (very far from a scrounging beggar with his hand out). And it goes on from there.

I'm not the sort who needs an after-school special from anyone. It's possible that I've forgotten more about the practicalities of socialism than you will ever know. I certainly know the difference between helping solid people and enabling stupid crap.

 

Yes I agree there's a lot of lazy people in the world, because the world is changing fast, especially since the invention of smartphones. That being said, I still truly believe there are a vast majority of hardworking people struggling to make ends meet and never getting ahead, no matter how hard they work or what they choose to accomplish. It's the sad truth.

 

Which were more harmed by a (kind of) socialist lameo government, rather than a tax-cutting, public spending cutting one. Perhaps ironically to some.

I want to hear about buzzing 1980's New York from Peet. I've been reading and watching stuff about that.

snoozyman

Here's my ideal wealth distribution of the world:

20% rich, 60% middle class, 20% poor

 

 

BUT what seems to be happening is this:

 

 

1% rich, 19% middle class, 80% poor. 

AND it's only getting worse, every year...

duntcare
snoozyman wrote:
UnclePeet wrote:
Anyone living paycheck to paycheck likely deserves it

 

I disagree, there are people all over the world born into poverty, like people in Africa, Asia, and war torn countries in the Middle East. It was NOT their choice, they were born into poverty. It is the same thing in the USA, poverty and wealth can be passed down. Many rich people  were born into wealthy families, for example the Walton Family, who inherited their wealth from the previous generation of the Walmart empire. It was NOT their choice to be born rich, it was a genetic accident that they won the genetic lottery ticket. In other words, you can be born rich without even trying and without even working a day in your life.

 

So why is this a problem? Because poverty is getting worse, the wealth gap is getting worse, and soon America will have NO middle class.....it will only have 2 classes, the poor and the rich....and then things will start getting out of control, expect a lot of crime, a revolution, and possibly a civil war. 

that is less than 1% as you described rich is 1% and most are self made, we have anti inheirant laws but if the buisness is super successful and they can maintain well well yeah big brain to them because otherwise no one would make long term buisnesses bruh do you want to crushteh economy

duntcare
snoozyman wrote:

Here's my ideal wealth distribution of the world:

20% rich, 60% middle class, 20% poor

 

 

BUT what seems to be happening is this:

 

 

1% rich, 19% middle class, 80% poor. 

AND it's only getting worse, every year...

heres my explanation

the rich can only be 1% because depending on how rich u call the 1% in my definition the 1% is a lot like billion dollar or 10+ million dollar and if you have too much that might be inflation so it wont be 1% the middle class however decreases BECAUSE of tax, tax cripples them heavily while they cannot pay for their childrens college that much well to make them back into a middle class, middle class is seen as rich but is often times on the verge of collapse

once you fall into poor its hard to get out, however this might seem like an excuse for poor people but its not, this is caused in fact BY government help, government help wastes more than helps, the people paying it aka the majority being middle class NOT rich or nott effecting rich much have to pay the price which they help the economy a lot so it should be kept, the poor on the other hand should recieve some degree of aid but government cuts spendings first not taxes more, its also more incentive encuraging now

duntcare
Problem5826 wrote:
snoozyman wrote:



 

 

 

You seem to be very focused on that one policy, and you are being disingenuous about it.

Trickle down isn't about giving people money - it's about not taxing anyone's money unnecessarily. There's a quite obvious ethical difference.

I've already explained that we've had brutal cuts to welfare here in England, what I didn't include was that we've also had tax cuts that greatly help the WORKING poor too (it's called WORKING CLASS for a reason - that's what I support. Not losers, beggars and welfare scroungers). I seriously can't tell you how much I was laughing earlier last decade, working the occasional doss job, with these tax cuts coming in and living at home. It was so much on easy street that it wasn't even funny.

Anyone whining about the political philosophy is a complete and utter loser ime. OR you are American and never experienced a real rising right-wing in your lifetime.

Peet lives in New York which was absolutely buzzing during the 80's (rising right wing) and has gone to crap now (lefty muppetry). I'd like to hear about that.

People complain about England because we are relevant, buzzing, and doing our own thing. Seriously can't tell you how little I care about other European countries.

Still would probably recommend that the very ambitious young gent probably take his value to Asia though lol

the main concern of going to asia is 1 where to go in asia, russia is not an option, china is not for a lot, japan and korea well...

the second concern is either inflation or government

 

snoozyman

You see the problem is, when the government helps rich people it's called capitalism. BUT when the government helps poor and middle class people, it's called "socialism" or "communism".

 

The way they treat the 1%, with tax cuts, lobbying, bailouts, funding, bribes, etc...it all makes it seem like capitalism is just socialism for the rich.....and for the rest of us, hardworking middle class people.... it's just a form of slavery with extra steps.

Problem5826
duntcare wrote:
Problem5826 wrote:
snoozyman wrote:



 

 

 

You seem to be very focused on that one policy, and you are being disingenuous about it.

Trickle down isn't about giving people money - it's about not taxing anyone's money unnecessarily. There's a quite obvious ethical difference.

I've already explained that we've had brutal cuts to welfare here in England, what I didn't include was that we've also had tax cuts that greatly help the WORKING poor too (it's called WORKING CLASS for a reason - that's what I support. Not losers, beggars and welfare scroungers). I seriously can't tell you how much I was laughing earlier last decade, working the occasional doss job, with these tax cuts coming in and living at home. It was so much on easy street that it wasn't even funny.

Anyone whining about the political philosophy is a complete and utter loser ime. OR you are American and never experienced a real rising right-wing in your lifetime.

Peet lives in New York which was absolutely buzzing during the 80's (rising right wing) and has gone to crap now (lefty muppetry). I'd like to hear about that.

People complain about England because we are relevant, buzzing, and doing our own thing. Seriously can't tell you how little I care about other European countries.

Still would probably recommend that the very ambitious young gent probably take his value to Asia though lol

the main concern of going to asia is 1 where to go in asia, russia is not an option, china is not for a lot, japan and korea well...

the second concern is either inflation or government

 

 

Perhaps travel for a few years to see what suits you.

Problem5826
snoozyman wrote:

You see the problem is, when the government helps rich people it's called capitalism. BUT when the government helps poor and middle class people, it's called "socialism" or "communism".

 

The way they treat the 1%, with tax cuts, lobbying, bailouts, funding, bribes, etc...it all makes it seem like capitalism is just socialism for the rich.....and for the rest of us, hardworking middle class people.... it's just a form of slavery with extra steps.

 

The leader of the house of commons Jacob Rees-Mogg criticizes socialism regularly in parliament - possibly in a way that it isn't in the United States.

We have a representative democracy. Phrases like "the 99%" doesn't mean that someone is speaking for that 99%.

Bulliedofthesite

So that's a lot of the theory covered, now the practise. As we are all very much near the top then what are WE doing for those who are less rich?

snoozyman