The Science of Biological Evolution (no politics or religion)

Alright but he doesn’t age

Paleontologists in the year 2150. Look what we found! A Dick Clark: The unaging dinosaur

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It is hardly totally subjective, of course there is a subjective element to it.

However, racism ,war ,poverty and so on are just subjective ?

People may experience them differently, but that does not mean they are simply subjective matters..does it ?

You're being very gentle.

Its the pills probably ?!

One wonders why Diogenese feels a constant need to correct people if it's all subjective.

Some things may well be totally objective, some totally subjective.

Many have elements of both ,especially when we come to human "doings"

Its the usual grey area stuff, but some people cannot tolerate the uncertainty of those grey areas.

So they jump off the fence to either the subjective, or the objective side of that fence.

Maybe he does that ?

I did read recently that the older one gets the more likely one can be to taking that line, the mind gets rather fed up of searching for the elusive "truth" so settles for one truth as opposed to the other, and avoids the grey stuff totally.

But we are talking about humans here, so it is just a tendency,nothing more

As for his "need" " if indeed such a thing exists, ah well Elrocco would not like it I went there, he didn't like it when I did it to him .or the mindwalker

Some people need correcting more than others.

I imagine he's about 60. I'm just turned 72.
People either ignore doubt or tolerate it. There's also a tendency at various stages of our lives to close it down by reacting in a "if I can't know things at this age (14) I'll never know them so I'm going to say what I think" (what I think I know).

My attitude to objectivity is that it doesn't exist because we can never be sure we're "being objective" and therefore objectivity actually consists of the attempt to be objective. That in turn consists of attempting to bring in all constants, variables and relevant factors. Objectivity therefore rests on the ability of the person who is trying to be objective. Using "the scientific method" should help except that there are experimental situations that can be unique and objectivity consists of a dedication to all possible considerations. For instance, I've been convinced that the paranormal is real and so our minds can form causal relationships that don't depend on the senses or on our actions or other communications beyond the mind.

Others are equally sure that this is impossible, as was I before I was about 19. To the best of their knowledge, all of that sort of stuff is delusion. There are bound to be divisions between us if we take our viewpoints on anything too seriously.

This is what old men do...make arguments that lack nuance or understanding, and then beat them into the ground in efforts to look more erudite than the other . Thankfully, I am not there yet.

Imagine yourselves roaming the Serengeti with blunderbusses and pith helmets while saying the above (and obliviously scaring off all the game in the process). Your pack handlers shaking their heads and smiling to each other when you aren't looking...

Meanwhile, I said that the notion of someone's life being full of sewage was subjective, which is patently obvious. Objective reality is just that, objective and real.

Well you can both argue that out between yourselves then.

You have both chosen to jump off the fence, onto different sides

So be it

You do sound roughly as silly as Diogenese.

He's completely mad and I normally don't read any of it when he has a rant. Prove me wrong. Ignore the fool.

If it was allowed here on chess.com, I'd tell him exactly what he is. It isn't allowed because Americans are such sensitive souls.

Wasn't there just this big bang and then suddenly we were monkeys?

That's the theory.

So now you agree it's just a theory?

Well yes but I don't think you know what "theory" means. If something happens then there's a mechanism for it and "theory" is an explanation of the mechanism.

That's not what theory means.

Theory is the highest standard of human knowledge... it's even better than a "fact" because under the umbrella of the theory of evolution are thousands and thousands of facts. It underpins all of modern biology. You might as well say you don't believe in the theory of gravity or the germ theory of disease. It would be nonsense to say you don't believe those things. In fact it's not a question of "belief." You either understand they're true or you're uneducated.

The only real exception is string theory, which shouldn't be called a theory. It's more like pretty math and an interesting idea.