Yeah well Tesla didnt like TOR, and Einstein didn't like quantum mechanics, not a big deal, nobody can be right all the time :)
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Apr 21, 2016
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The bohemienne is looking for herself. You see....it doesn't matter if she's found. She knows she'll never find her. Her search is futile and that's what makes it all so beautiful. Rene was right. In that we only really know ourselves. Yet that's futile too. And that's the paradox.
That's why philosophy came before science. 'Cuz nature is in the middle of copying art. And we confuse ourselves 'cuz the Universe was here b4 we were. With science, we look outside us to find us....but it's futile 'cuz it's not there.
I totally hate artists who paint for $. They resign to the saying that anything worth doing is worth doing for $. It's not true. That's a capitalist talking. The bohemienne makes art to display what she's discovered in her search for her. And she knows deep down that the last poem or the last oil will never-ever be painted....or penned.
I'm starting to cry right now & I don't really know why....tears of wonder ?....I think so.
Considering the 'Tomorrow People' are supposed to be the next step in human evolution, I think it's a fascinating idea that they can't kill. They've evolved in all these other ways, and they have these special abilities, but they can't kill. It's a very interesting concept. I really like it. I like the idea of it.
- not me
We are out of luck.
celot wrote:
Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:
The problem with people like you is you run out of arguments and then switch to random personal attacks :)
Yes I am "nay-saying", this is because you are saying wrong things, and I am saying no to them.
And no, I don't need to read Tesla's stuff to know it's still in the libraries and to know engineers would use it if it worked.
It makes no sense - you are claming BOTH that Tesla's theories are "lost" and at the same time that you know them.
YO if you know them they ain't lost.
YOU DON'T pay attention in class because you are the south end of a north-bound horse with preconceived notions. I never claimed that Tesla's theories were lost, what I did say is that, the many things that may have been invented by scientists well versed in Ether Physics, have been lost. But not completely. The Elite jealously guard the knowledge of the "Secret" Ether Physics but they themselves are making full use of it. Who do believe operate and control so-called genuine UFOs? Little Green Men?? No, they are ordinary human beings. These are craft that function on the premises of Tesla's, Dynamic Theory of Gravity. The Germans were working on this Tesla technology during WWII. When the war ended, Dr, Warner Von Braun, brought all of the lab notes with him. Shortly following, "Area 51" was installed. It is all well documented.
Ah you are a conspiracy guy :)
So how were the inventions lost? People had these nice Tesla things, and then they just chucked them down in the nearest garbage bin when they heard about TOR?
Anyway, you don't understand how science works.
It's not like the big guys are like magicians with secret knowledge. Something than an "Elite" can hide. The Elder Scrolls of Einstein or something like that.
Science is reproducible, and it's really common several people disciver the same things at the same time. Happened for instance with evolution theory, and also with differential equations. And for sure someone else would have gotten to TOR if Einstein had decided to give up science and instead make a living playing banjo in the street.
It's not like USA can invent a nuclear bomb and keep it secret forever. Well they probably DID keep their papers etc secret, but other countries can just go through the same research if they have money enough and invent them as well.
Same thing for your flying saucers. If there was anything in this stuff, other countries would have invented them also.
So inventions based on science aren't "lost". If we forgot how to make smartphones, somebody would discover it again and we would get them back.
Artworks are unique though. If we lost Beethoven's 9th or Picasson's pantings, well that would be the end of that. It's unique and can't be recreated when it's lost.
But not inventions. You do the hard work, you get the theory, you do the hard work, you get the invention. The procedure is pretty simple once you have the basic concepts of experimnation etc down.
In a way science is super boring and tedious work lol. And very repetitive.
And for the fifth time - the curvature of space has been OBSERVED. You can SEE IT. It's called GRAVITATIONAL LENSING. All theories that deny space curves are DEAD and WRONG because they can't explain why you see space curve.
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
The bohemienne is looking for herself. You see....it doesn't matter if she's found. She knows she'll never find her. Her search is futile and that's what makes it all so beautiful. Rene was right. In that we only really know ourselves. Yet that's futile too. And that's the paradox.
That's why philosophy came before science. 'Cuz nature is in the middle of copying art. And we confuse ourselves 'cuz the Universe was here b4 we were. With science, we look outside us to find us....but it's futile 'cuz it's not there.
I totally hate artists who paint for $. They resign to the saying that anything worth doing is worth doing for $. It's not true. That's a capitalist talking. The bohemienne makes art to display what she's discovered in her search for her. And she knows deep down that the last poem or the last oil will never-ever be painted....or penned.
I'm starting to cry right now & I don't really know why....tears of wonder ?....I think so.
Nice post.
Sulphur and Sodium comes from supernovas, and about 0,5 % of a human body is made from that.
I think it's pretty neat I'm made of stuff that originated in a supernova.
So I don't think science is completely un-aestetic.
Apr 22, 2016
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The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
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That's why philosophy came before science. 'Cuz nature is in the middle of copying art.
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Let me just address this one point. Philosophy (where it addresses objective questions about the real world) came before science because people hadn't figured out science yet. It wasn't out of some grand plan that people knew so little about the nature of the world until the last few hundred years: it was because they hadn't figured out how to find the answers. There are exceptions, but they were isolated and limited and dod not gain adequate momentum until the late renaissance period.
(Where Philosophy - a very vague broad term, without even the focus of the word "science" which shares a common method - addresses issues that are not objective or not about the real world, it is orthogonal to science rather than being any sort of predecessor.)
Jean-Paul Sartre is sitting at a French cafe, revising his draft of Being and Nothingness. He says to the waitress, "I'd like a cup of coffee, please, with no cream." The waitress replies, "I'm sorry, Monsieur, but we're out of cream. How about with no milk?"
celot wrote:
You are hopelessly lost in rhetoric. If you had paid attention in class then. you might understand the literal and grammatical meaning of my words that are clearly beyond your understanding. According to Tesla's theory of dynamic gravity, space itself does NOT curve everything else from photons to planets curve but "empty space" cannot curve. I you accept the Ether Theory (meaning space is NOT empty after all) then, the Ether is a fixed matrix that cannot curve. Either way you look at it you lose. 1, TRO or GR, says space is empty or, in other words between mass is emptiness/nothing. NOTHING cannot "curve" around anything because it is NOTHING, Einstein. If you believe in Tesla's Ether physics, the Matrix also cannot curve since a Matrix must be constant or it does not exist (again, back yo NOTHING, Einstein).
I looked up Tesla's gravitational theory.
In fact, it doesn't exist - he neever published it. He just mentioned it in a letter, but there's no real formulation, no equations, no thing.
It's just not a theory of gravity without equations, because you need those to make calculations so you can make observation. Calling some comments he made to a friend for a theory of gravity is like calling this post I'm writing here a multi volume groundbreaking novel.
Just wondering, do you believe in observation and experments at all?
They come out in support or TOR. You can see space curving, so it curves. Because you can see the curvature, you know the fixed ether doesn't exist.
If the Aether ever gets a comeback, it's going to be a curving Aether.
(The Ether was btw invented by Newton.)
Never knew Tesla was Serbian. My favorite region of the world!
Here him as young and home in Serbia wearing a traditional costume
This forum sucks for images :) So many images don't work for no reason.
Interesting, it seems we have encountered a member of the "cult of Tesla". A modern version of the ancient hero worship.
Tesla's unparalleled combination of genius and aberrance have turned him into one of the seminal cult figures of the day. As such, at least as much fiction as fact have swirled around popular accounts of his life, and devotees of conspiracy theories and alternative science hypotheses have hijacked his name more than that of any other figure.
Tesla did not invent alternating current, which is what he's best remembered for. AC had been around for a quarter century before he was born, which was in 1856 in what's now Croatia. While Tesla was a young man working as a telephone engineer, other men around Europe were already developing AC transformers and setting up experimental power transmission grids to send alternating current over long distances. Tesla's greatest early development was in his mind: a rotary magnetic field, which would make possible an electric induction motor that could run directly from AC, unlike all existing electric motors, which were DC. At the time, AC had to be converted to DC to run a motor, at a loss of efficiency. Induction motors had been conceived before his birth, but none had ever been built. Tesla built a working prototype, but only two years after another inventor, Galileo Ferraris, had also independently conceived the rotary magnetic field and built his own working prototype
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Hardly anything written about Nikola Tesla fails to exaggerate his inventions and deify the man. Factually wrong descriptions of his accomplishments are found all over the place. His name is broadly smeared by association with virtually every crank conspiracy theory on the planet. They want magically easy answers to complicated problems, and when they hear that Tesla invented such answers and that the government and industry suppressed them, they trumpet his name to the world. This group has become little more than a cult, an insult to the man and his accomplishments.
However, Nikola Tesla was not to blame for any of that. Every reasonable textbook and history book on electromagnetic theory rightly confers upon him the enormous credit he fairly earned.
https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4345
Apr 22, 2016
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#1195
....and a giant ball they named after him that they would light up on the final night of Steampunk conventions....and freak everyone out.
Apr 22, 2016
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#1196
Oscar Wilde gave a wonderful example of how nature copies art. He said something like the rains of Paris were just yucky annoying stuff that restricted ppl from getting out and walking on the river, exchanging pleasantries w/ others, shopping on the street for cheese and bread, etc. Then one day someone painted rain as it fell from the sky and glistened all that was to be seen. And people found that painting stunningly beautiful. It was a sort of philosophical arrival for many (Aesthetics, or the Philosophy of Art....the study of beauty).
IOW's, people couldn't appreciate the beauty of nature until art showed them the way.
So I hope it's not meant to be taken literal. Of course nature came before art (but then medical stem cell & drug research, cloning, etc. are "designer" art forms that are changing nature).
Apr 22, 2016
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#1197
FANTASTIC BATTLE OF ELECTRICAL POWER : EDISON DC vs TESLA AC;
power of EDISON started to win the choice of NY dept 1880, TESLA DIED POOR, but AC was the good solution for various technical reasons I forgot (losses on line?). thus the name of the car firm to celebrate an unknown genius, and ... DC on cars!
Apr 22, 2016
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#1198
Wikipedia says this....
Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems concerning matters such as existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.
Historically, the term "philosophy" could refer generally to any body of knowledge. The term could also refer more specifically to a range of distinctive methods and topics. For example, philosophical methods include questioning, critical discussion, a systematic approach to big ideas, and reliance on rational argument.
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I'm just saying that I think we had to go "thru" philosophy before we could ever get to science.
Apr 22, 2016
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#1199
yes Tesla said that , to put power before having machine turning properly.
I don't know the word but I believe it was the Greeks that had a word which encompassed the studies of religion, philosophy, and science into one practice. Obviously philosophical endevours predate science, but there was a clear turning point when it made sense to separate the two as distinct practices as their methodologies became distinct from one another. That isn't to say that they've become completely separated though. Surely philosophy and science play a significant role in all schools of thought, right on up to politics.
The problem with people like you is you run out of arguments and then switch to random personal attacks :)
Yes I am "nay-saying", this is because you are saying wrong things, and I am saying no to them.
And no, I don't need to read Tesla's stuff to know it's still in the libraries and to know engineers would use it if it worked.
It makes no sense - you are claming BOTH that Tesla's theories are "lost" and at the same time that you know them.
YO if you know them they ain't lost.