The Unequal Distribution of Wealth & Power

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kayak21 wrote:

Do any of our UK churches open their doors to the homeless people at night to give them a safe place to sleep? If not, why not?

A couple of years ago in Liverpool, a group of protesters made that point in the Cathedral.  That's the older one, as we have two.  All they did was to hang out a banner asking the same question that you have kayak.  The volume of the organ was turned up and a thunderous noise from it drowned out the voices of the protesters. 

They were also verbally abused by some of the religious people in attendence.  One of the men in robes blamed foreigners for the plight of the protesters.  If you want to gain access to the top of the Cathedral you have to use a lift; they charge £7 for this service.  'The house of god' or the 'house of plenty' I wonder.

Much of the talk here concentrates on ther redistrbution of wealth, implying that money will be taken from those that have it and given to those that have none.  I think this could be misunderstood.  The idea of establishing a better society would be to create a more efficient and equitable one.  This is different from the picture that some people like to paint of un-uniformed armed men hacking off heads. 

It's currently called a capitalist society because nothing happens unless the capitalists decide that they can make more money.  Everything is seen as a commodity, including human life.  It cares little for the hardship for millions, and declining opportunities for future generations, but seeks only short term profit. 

I think we could better, collectively, to establish a democratic society.  I think we could have elected politicians subject to recall at any time and who only received the same average wages as the rest of us. 

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tomtrytostay wrote:
Wow I'm impressed . A civilised coherent thread . Congratulations Nikprit I like your style . My own feelings are what matters truly is what is not what should be . But I respect of course that part of societal evolution is to investigate what's happening and this certainly is a subject that's in dire need of being considered seriously . Anyway I just wanted to say well done .

Oh my own view . Well I believe that wealth should be shared equally like a birthday cake at a party .

Of course those that are willing to work harder should be rewarded but generally I feel that people should share .

I think that democracy is extremely poor but the greater truth is that most people are so scared of losing out on basic comfort they resist charity . We need a safety net .

Anyway you guys are all way smarter than I am . I hope I won't get blocked Nikprit for expressing these views but I've said all I wanted to anyway

You are welcome here anytime Tom.

No one gets blocked for expressing their views here - it is like you say 'say what you want, when you want'.

However, when it comes to name calling & ad hominem attacks which have nothing to do with the topic/issue - then that is different.

I have seen enough threads to realise that things can go south very quickly - then it just looks like a bar fight.

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Firstplay wrote:

Much of the talk here concentrates on ther redistrbution of wealth, implying that money will be taken from those that have it and given to those that have none.  I think this could be misunderstood.  The idea of establishing a better society would be to create a more efficient and equitable one. 

It's currently called a capitalist society because nothing happens unless the capitalists decide that they can make more money.  Everything is seen as a commodity, including human life.  It cares little for the hardship for millions, and declining opportunities for future generations, but seeks only short term profit. 

I think we could better, collectively, to establish a democratic society.  I think we could have elected politicians subject to recall at any time and who only received the same average wages as the rest of us. 

Good points FP.

Has anyone heard of this group? Who meet annually and privately.

The Bilderberg Group, Bilderberg conference, Bilderberg meetings, or Bilderberg Club is an annual private conference of 120 to 150 people of the European and North American political elite, experts from industry, finance, academia, and the media, established in 1954.

Is this the 'real face' of democracy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

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Nikprit wrote:
Ghostliner wrote:

OP: wasn't Malthus the fella that wrote a precis called: "The Philosophy of Poverty"?

And didn't Marx demonstrate his scathing sense of humour by titling his response: "The Poverty of Philosophy"?

Apologies to Malthus if I'm confusing him with another dude.

I think that might have been Proudhon - GL

https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/proudhon/philosophy/

Ah yes so it was, good man I stand corrected. And due apologistas to Mr Malthus.

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It's the real face of so-called social-democracy.  The fact that the worlds leaders secret themselves away to dicuss issues should be a concern of everyone. The fact that the same politicians refuse to tell us what has been discussed smacks of conspiracy. 

We're entitled to know what the elected leaderships of our countries are there for.  The fact that they refuse to tell us shows what they really are.  You'd think our media would be demanding answers, highlighting this extra-ordinary event and alerting us all to the elitist group who have so much power. 

If the media wasn't owned by the same group of people attending the meeting then this would probably happen.   The best type of slave to own is one that doesn't realise that they're enslaved. 

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Firstplay. What is the PM salary? Around £150k ? I actually don't think of that as a high wage in this day and age for someone who is head of state.

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The same could be said of TU leaders, their average is about £80k, when often many of their members are on basic minimum wage.  I prefer my leaders to be in tune with the people who pay their wages.  It's simple for me kayak, if I was the leader of a TU then I wouldn't accept any more pay than the average person I was representing. There should be no financial incentives as we quite often end up with the wrong people.

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Senior-Lazarus_Long wrote:
dtf15 wrote:

Not sure what you mean by "We should close all of our foreign military basis"?

But we should think "The Rich made a million dollars and we got --- much out of it, lets hope he makes more next year" Not "He made a million dollars, lets take more of it." The economy grows slower with that kind of thinking. 

Our bases in Europe,Korea, Panama,anywhere we are not fighting. Close them and operate exclusively from the United States. 

Thats dangerous. Our (Im dual citizen) bases in other countries are there to show our support for them. I assume you dont mean countries like Afganistan, so I wont get into that. Our bases in Europe are there partialy because of NATO, so thats not gonna happen. But when we dont have bases in other countries, it limits our ability to deploy on a momments notice. I realize that now with better air power and tech, its possible, but certainly less convinient. Smile

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Joseph-S wrote:

  The money supply should be tied to production, as opposed to gold, etc, and as the production increases due to technology advances, population increases or whatever, then the money supply needs to increase, but instead of the debt issued money loaned to the gov't with interest due, putting us into slavery to the Global Bankers, money should be issued, debt free from the gov't itself as a dividend check to it's adult citizens.

 No middle-man skimming off the money for himself, no trickle down effect like catching whatever crums the elite decide to let fall off the table on to the floor for people to fight over, but, directly to the citizens.  From there, it would go straight into the economy when we buy bread or anything else.

  That way, everybody would at least have something with which to try to initially subsist on, especially if people were allowed to actually own land instead of renting it from the gov't in the form of property tax, which they can and do raise at their whim even if it means pushing an old person into the gutter to get their land or more rent out of it. 

 Furthermore, the gov't shouldn't be donating our money to foreign countries under any disguise they can dream up, especially if they don't have a surpluss with which to do it.

  Gouging the rich to even them out with the deadbeats or less talented, motivated or what have you is not the answer.  Also, close the tax loopholes and use a flat % tax for all.  There should also be a cap on what the maximum % the gov't should be allowed to take, and no more than that!

The federal reserve is privately owned not govt. owned

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I agree with Joseph-s on the flat tax. Bleeding the rich is not the way to do it like he says.

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Nikprit. Think of all the people employed by those companies that you listed above.

Are those figures profit or turnover?

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Non-Sequitur, link -- Well .. It Was a sort've 'wealth transfer'! ..ha!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3519764/Now-s-King-Road-Instagram-star-Dan-Bilzerian-WINS-600K-poker-bet-riding-LA-Las-Vegas-48-hours-looks-like-Grinch.html

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Nikprit wrote:
Joseph-S wrote:

  The money supply should ...

The Federal Reserve Banks are privately owned in the USA. They are not govt. owned / state owned.

  I thought I made that abundantly clear.  In your case, apparently not.

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In order for the govt. to take charge of the federal reserve, (those people 'who have the power/control of the money') would need to be removed. The middle men as you say.

And then you go on to say that gouging the rich is not the way to go about things.

If you removed the people who own  the Federal banks - you would go into economic collapse.

Unless you seized their assets. Or gouge the rich as you say.

I do agree with you though on closing the tax evasion, loop holes, tax havens etc &   that we are like slaves to the system.

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Is this the 'real face' of democracy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

 

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174  about US BASES

"   Close them and operate exclusively from the United States. "

QUESTION :            Does it mean, for instance, in 1944:

ZERO GI in BRITAIN ENGLAND, and D-DAY 0606 starting from ....CAPE COD ??????

well .....no comment.  

Another example : Vietnam 1965 :   BOMBING DYKES around HANOI, aircrafts take off from NELLIS, NEVADA, and coming back ???? or from aircraft carriers, B52 ??????

well, as they in West-Point,     ...... no comment.

Ty, I understand now why. No voice. Poor should be rich, me I guess.

Last serious general saying more than hello! to people was Gl Schawartzkopf 1992.

Other have no word on such strategies, life is short.

In case PUTIN wants to visit FUlda with tanks to go to Bretagne , doest it mean stopping him with counter offensive starting from Fort Braggs , Texas ??????????


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Bildeberg group : I heard about, international club of people having money AND power and want to keep it. Founded by Prince Bernhard, involved in buying F 104 for Holland.

In France we have 100+ smaller clubs, private, having same design and objective: control their wealth to pu it in dresses of humanism and benevolence good will for humanity.

These clubs started in our country in 1780's+  and then were used by " bourgeoisie    "  class to stop Revolution , get the power 1795-1799, Bonaparte 1er consul stopped them.

These Bildeberg group is very important in hidden decisions to share wealth ..into members only on a global approach. All name in Bilderberg are "names", really heavy weights.

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FRENCHBASHER wrote:

Bildeberg group : I heard about, international club of people having money AND power and want to keep it. Founded by Prince Bernhard, involved in buying F 104 for Holland.

In France we have 100+ smaller clubs, private, having same design and objective: control their wealth to pu it in dresses of humanism and benevolence good will for humanity.

These clubs started in our country in 1780's+  and then were used by " bourgeoisie    "  class to stop Revolution , get the power 1795-1799, Bonaparte 1er consul stopped them.

These Bildeberg group is very important in hidden decisions to share wealth ..into members only on a global approach. All name in Bilderberg are "names", really heavy weights.

They have their own website now too Basher.

Are you talking about the 'free masons'?

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.html

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Ty

Bildeberg is part or not of masonry ? I dunno, some methods are similar, rites inside ? I never knew.

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