The value of life (No religion or politics).

Also just to clarify, I'm not attacking anyone or what you think. Just asking questions because I'm curious.

And if that's politics.... I'll drop that and talk about something else. 😉

It is to us, but not to the person wishing to fulfill his wishes. It’s all about perspective.

Fair point Basix, it's all about perspective. I have a question for you then, if you don't mind. I remember that Iconic Ninja made a thread about one of his friends was talking about sulclde, and you got all up about calling the police and getting help. (I applaud that, thank you 🙂). My question is: if that person didn't see a purpose in his life and wanted to end it, why should we stop him? He's just doing his thing, and according to the points made earlier, he's in the right to do so. (This is not what I believe, I think we should help, but I'll try to keep my beliefs out of this)

That’s not filling a wish in his life, it’s wishing death upon himself. It’s our job to make sure that we do our best to help these people see a different perspective, and try and help them see the good in the world. Sometimes it’s not enough, but it’s always worth trying.

Anyway seeing that the discussion is on morality, I might as well give my take on it.

Morality is not "encoded" in our DNA, it is influenced by our childhood. Eg one main reason is "a certain topic the OP has advised not to talk about", another reason could be media (books and movies), where whether we like it or not, we support the one that "does the right thing" because they are the one who ultimately wins. Even when we change our beliefs, it is because of influence from friends or the internet! Ultimately we want to agree with the crowd, and when everyone wants to do the right thing, we wanna do the same thing too. This does not just apply to morality, when someone is toxic and selfish, it is either because of a bad childhood or wanting to be "bad*ss" like friends or people on the internet. Even if you try to "not follow the crowd" and be unique, being unique is also something that the internet influences you to do.

It's like that one quote - "Villains are not born, they are made."

Wanting to kill yourself is not a normal human condition. It's usually caused by chemical imbalances in the body or brain and/or overwhelming life conditions. Correct those and the person will find life is worth living.

We originally developed certain behaviors in order to live and cooperate together in groups. Look at any pack or herd animal. They have social structures and behavior patterns that allow them to function as a group. We are much more complex but the principles are the same. Over time, our behavior patterns by became morals, laws, manners, and such like.

Exactly

Exceptions do not make the rule. Finding outliers like Hitler to define how morals or conscience works is invalid. For one thing he was a drug addict, with confused views of what an Arian is and upset because of Jews in his family.

No one is born with knowledge of right and wrong It's taught to us.

There are tribes that are cannibals. To them it's normal.

Conscience is just our own reaction to what we were taught.

I’m sorry for replying to this late. Chess.com logged me out of my account and I couldn’t log back in.

In my opinion, your goal is not meaningful and does not have value because I believe everything amounts to nothing in the end. You still have a self-assigned purpose, though, and I suppose doing what you think you should is only natural. Other people, however, may not like your purpose, no matter how noble, and may attempt to counter you. You can assign yourself a purpose, but so can others.

So life boils down to might makes right? If the purpose that I create for myself conflicts with your self created purpose, then I will simply force you out of my way so that I can achieve my self created goals of destroying the world.

I completely agree. In the grand scheme of the world, you're just one human life creating your own purpose. Whatever you decide to do with your life won't particularly change the world. Common goals for people are for themselves.

We make our own purpose. Your path is not given directly, but it can be influenced.

Yes, you might do that. I might get my friends or present you as an enemy to other people so they try to eliminate you. It’s less about strength and more about victory. As is famously written in 1989, the winners write history. And what they write does stuff. If you don’t win, you don’t get to enjoy rewards. The world isn’t that straightforward, with the most deserving people getting what they should get, but that’s how I think it works.

All you have to say is "My purpose is to follow in faith and my religion".

That's perfectly fine and within the TOS.

Are there morals? Is there something about is that knows the difference between right and wrong and if so, how is that possible if life evolved out of an Eat or be Eaten world?

I’d argue morals are created, shaped and applied at will by society. It’s been shown that the conscience of young children is shaped by the environment they grow up in. So I’d say no, they are purely a mental construct.

Thanks for commenting.

What do you think?