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Secretuse--

Alot of assumptions in that post---pretty thin.

chesslover0003
Secretuse wrote:
BrianErdelyi wrote:

Being LGBTQ+ is not a choice.

But many people are also quite susceptible to manipulation. Especially young inexperienced people are easy to manipulate.

There is in the West enormous pressure and propaganda pushed on young inexperienced people and especially children, who have trouble recognizing propaganda and defend themselves against it.

Being transgender is real. It is not based on propaganda or a choice.

FIDE recognizes that transgender women are women (as do the laws of many countries).

The medical studies I’ve read (source) on this show that only 2.5% of trans people that sought gender affirming care reversed their gender identity back to the gender that matches their sex assigned at birth. That’s in Canada and US where you claim there is enormous pressure (so the numbers elsewhere should be smaller?). The reality is five years later over 95% of trans people continued with gender affirming care and do not identify with their assigned sex at birth.

To me this suggests peer pressure or manipulation from others is not as big a factor as some want to think (when it comes to gender identity).

badger_song

BrianErdelyi--

...as some want to think .

 You summed up the underlying dynamic concerning issues where there appear sto be little middle ground between the opposing views. For reasons known only to themselves, many individuals (or groups) simply will not consider a position that is counter to their own. They will tie themselves into intellectual knots defending positions that are indefensible ( both argumentatively and ethically). Often one can't even get these individuals to identify under what conditions they would reconsider---because there aren't any. Some just want to think the world is thus, and nothing will change that.

Typewriter44
BrianErdelyi wrote:
Typewriter44 wrote:

When you allow people who grew up as boys

Being LGBTQ+ is not a choice. Children are able to recognize and label gender groups by 2 years old and by the age of 3 they have already labeled their own gender. Medical studies I've read (such as this one) show that most transgender people are not identifying with their sex assigned at birth as early as 3-7 years old. It doesn't appear transgender girls are growing up as boys.

I didn't say it was.

If you are going to nitpick, just reread my post but replace "people who grew up as boys" with "people who grew up being treated like boys".

AngryPuffer

there are only 2 biological genders, everything else is false and is based off how you feel

chesslover0003
Typewriter44 wrote:
BrianErdelyi wrote:
Typewriter44 wrote:

When you allow people who grew up as boys

Being LGBTQ+ is not a choice. Children are able to recognize and label gender groups by 2 years old and by the age of 3 they have already labeled their own gender. Medical studies I've read (such as this one) show that most transgender people are not identifying with their sex assigned at birth as early as 3-7 years old. It doesn't appear transgender girls are growing up as boys.

I didn't say it was.

If you are going to nitpick, just reread my post but replace "people who grew up as boys" with "people who grew up being treated like boys".

The medical studies say that most trans girls have identified their gender by the age of 7 and that's how they see themselves.

It's like you're trying to make the same argument that @secretuse is making but in reverse. You can't manipulate someone into being trans or not-trans because it is not a choice. It is the same reason why conversion therapy doesn't work.

FIDE allow women (and this include trans women) to compete in women's only tournaments. I do not think there is any reason to abolish women's tournaments.

Coddiwompler
BrianErdelyi wrote:
Typewriter44 wrote:
BrianErdelyi wrote:
Typewriter44 wrote:

When you allow people who grew up as boys

Being LGBTQ+ is not a choice. Children are able to recognize and label gender groups by 2 years old and by the age of 3 they have already labeled their own gender. Medical studies I've read (such as this one) show that most transgender people are not identifying with their sex assigned at birth as early as 3-7 years old. It doesn't appear transgender girls are growing up as boys.

I didn't say it was.

If you are going to nitpick, just reread my post but replace "people who grew up as boys" with "people who grew up being treated like boys".

The medical studies say that most trans girls have identified their gender by the age of 7 and that's how they see themselves.

It's like you're trying to make the same argument that @secretuse is making but in reverse. You can't manipulate someone into being trans or not-trans because it is not a choice. It is the same reason why conversion therapy doesn't work.

FIDE allow women (and this include trans women) to compete in women's only tournaments. I do not think there is any reason to abolish women's tournaments.

For the sake of equality and inclusivity, women's only chess tournaments should be abolished!

It will fix the transgender problem as well.

chesslover0003
Coddiwompler wrote:

It will fix the transgender problem as well.

Perhaps you don't know how offensive and hateful that language is (or perhaps you do... and this make it even worse).

Nazi's used the same language. It led to the murder of over 6 million Jews during the Holocaust (referred to as the final solution to the Jewish question... also referred to as problem.)

badger_song

...lol ,this thread is walk'in to the edge of that cliff.

Coddiwompler
BrianErdelyi wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:

It will fix the transgender problem as well.

Perhaps you don't know how offensive and hateful that language is (or perhaps you do... and this make it even worse).

Nazi's used the same language. It led to the murder of over 6 million Jews during the Holocaust (referred to as the final solution to the Jewish question... also referred to as problem.)

"equality and inclusivity" are offensive to you?

MightierQ
AngryPuffer wrote:

there are only 2 biological genders, everything else is false and is based off how you feel

...says the person with absolutely zero relevant experience or knowledge in this matter.

badger_song
MightierQ wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

there are only 2 biological genders, everything else is false and is based off how you feel

...says the person with absolutely zero relevant experience or knowledge in this matter.

LOL--- the moment lightbulb meets hammer.

Coddiwompler
Truth-Is-Beauty wrote:

Chess.com is messed up. Its misogynistic.

Recently, chessdotcom has been more misandrist imho

Typewriter44
BrianErdelyi wrote:
Typewriter44 wrote:
BrianErdelyi wrote:
Typewriter44 wrote:

When you allow people who grew up as boys

Being LGBTQ+ is not a choice. Children are able to recognize and label gender groups by 2 years old and by the age of 3 they have already labeled their own gender. Medical studies I've read (such as this one) show that most transgender people are not identifying with their sex assigned at birth as early as 3-7 years old. It doesn't appear transgender girls are growing up as boys.

I didn't say it was.

If you are going to nitpick, just reread my post but replace "people who grew up as boys" with "people who grew up being treated like boys".

The medical studies say that most trans girls have identified their gender by the age of 7 and that's how they see themselves.

It's like you're trying to make the same argument that @secretuse is making but in reverse. You can't manipulate someone into being trans or not-trans because it is not a choice. It is the same reason why conversion therapy doesn't work.

FIDE allow women (and this include trans women) to compete in women's only tournaments. I do not think there is any reason to abolish women's tournaments.

What does this have to do with what I said?

Simply, people who grow up as boys, or male, or amab, or whatever you want to call them, are encouraged to play chess much more than people who grow up as girls, or female, or afab, or whatever you want to call them. Women's tournaments exist to help counterbalance this. When you let people who were encouraged to play chess play against people who were discouraged to play chess, one side will have a distinct advantage. Gender and/or sex just happen to be the factor(s) that (at least in the western world) is most relevant as far as equal treatment in the chess world.

JAYZgonPRO

THIS should fix any problems

Sillver1

Coddi wompler: “For the sake of equality and inclusivity, women's only chess tournaments should be abolished! It will fix the transgender problem as well.”

Sound like a devoted Closet bigot with an agenda.. hopefully am wrong.

badger_song

Coddi--

lol. ok. I'm sure you can find lots of incels on site to commiserate with.

Toss in some MAGA's, add a dash white nationalists, sprinkle in a few Christian fundamentalists and you can all throw a huge pity party. Chess.com doesn't offend men, just man-babies---guys who want to be treated as men but who's own social, mental and emotional immaturity guarantees that will never happen .

Coddiwompler
Sillver1 wrote:

Coddi wompler: “For the sake of equality and inclusivity, women's only chess tournaments should be abolished! It will fix the transgender problem as well.”

Sound like a devoted Closet bigot with an agenda.. hopefully am wrong.

You are wrong.

What do you have against equality and inclusivity?

AngryPuffer
Typewriter44 wrote:
BrianErdelyi wrote:
Typewriter44 wrote:
BrianErdelyi wrote:
Typewriter44 wrote:

When you allow people who grew up as boys

Being LGBTQ+ is not a choice. Children are able to recognize and label gender groups by 2 years old and by the age of 3 they have already labeled their own gender. Medical studies I've read (such as this one) show that most transgender people are not identifying with their sex assigned at birth as early as 3-7 years old. It doesn't appear transgender girls are growing up as boys.

I didn't say it was.

If you are going to nitpick, just reread my post but replace "people who grew up as boys" with "people who grew up being treated like boys".

The medical studies say that most trans girls have identified their gender by the age of 7 and that's how they see themselves.

It's like you're trying to make the same argument that @secretuse is making but in reverse. You can't manipulate someone into being trans or not-trans because it is not a choice. It is the same reason why conversion therapy doesn't work.

FIDE allow women (and this include trans women) to compete in women's only tournaments. I do not think there is any reason to abolish women's tournaments.

What does this have to do with what I said?

Simply, people who grow up as boys, or male, or amab, or whatever you want to call them, are encouraged to play chess much more than people who grow up as girls, or female, or afab, or whatever you want to call them. Women's tournaments exist to help counterbalance this. When you let people who were encouraged to play chess play against people who were discouraged to play chess, one side will have a distinct advantage. Gender and/or sex just happen to be the factor(s) that (at least in the western world) is most relevant as far as equal treatment in the chess world.

what is "afab"

Sillver1
Coddiwompler wrote:
Sillver1 wrote:

Coddi wompler: “For the sake of equality and inclusivity, women's only chess tournaments should be abolished! It will fix the transgender problem as well.”

Sound like a devoted Closet bigot with an agenda.. hopefully am wrong.

You are wrong.

What do you have against equality and inclusivity?

i know nothing about you, so i left the possibility that you’re simply incapable for this or that reason.

if you wish to prove me wrong, you can expend a bit on why women should decide for themselves if they want to continue to enjoy women only tournaments or not. then you can also expend a lil about why do you think that wording like “fixing the transgender problem” is so wrong..