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Shoveller762
Or is my effort gone forever (I would be within 4 points of my ATH) ?
Spacebux
Martin_Stahl wrote:

I'm sure @erik doesn't necessarily concur, and may not at all. Doesn't make the fact that many software companies have bugs crop up in code, even very large ones, isn't correct.

 

I never said that's it's OK that bugs happen, just that it does happen. No one likes bugs. 

 

But we've been over this before. I'm a member, first and foremost, and would post much the same way (and did), before becoming a moderator. While I have some more direct access to staff, and can sometimes provide more insight into issues, I'm not speaking for staff. Unless I say staff are aware or they asked me pass something along

 

You present a very different image, Martin.  You stated as much making it sound like this something to be indifferent about.  And with your blue pawn badge, many here presume you DO speak for the site when you write such.

The fact is you do not know what happened.   You are not speaking on behalf of chess.com.  Nor should you have ever been put in a Moderator role---I seem to recall you were demoted for doing such a few years back, but were given a 2nd chance. 

Please stop feigning you are just a Common User when posting.  If you wanted to put up that Front you should use a different login without the Blue Pawn insignia next to your name.  That way, lay users could easily tell you are writing from the viewpoint of a common user!

For crying out loud.. go find a box of Common Sense and open it, please.

harrytipper3

Four of my current opponents have mass timed out in a load of games today, losing hundreds of rating points and probably eliminated from a few tournaments. 

There's gonna be some angry members around.. 

Martin_Stahl
Spacebux wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

 

That's what the bug was. If you made a move when the bug was in effect, the move wasn't actually made.


Do you know that for a fact, Martin?  Or, are you guessing again?

In the more likely case / scenario, Chess.com's brilliant Dev Team updated or upgraded something on the site yesterday.  (It was about 2-3pm CST when I could not get on the site.)  Might have been a hack, but something took the site down for a period of time yesterday.  I'm going to assume it was an upgrade---intended or inadvertent.

Once it was back up, I made a bunch of moves.  Saved them.

This morning, I come on to find the Alert system all whacked up.  It took me another hour to realize a lot of my games were out-of-synch... and my move games were not highlighted at all.

Here's what really happened.  The Dev Team made a mistake and upgraded or updated something they shouldn't have.  After a period of time... 4-5 hours maybe?  They realized their mistake and could only come up with a Rollback (technical term to downgrade to the last known good / salient point) the site prior to the upgrade.  In doing so, all those moves made in the period of 4-5 hours' time were lost, unrecorded.  Yet, people's personal browsers which store ALERT data in their browser cookies were not updated or rolled-back... as chess.com can't do that.  It corrupted the whole Alert notification system for games on laptops, tablets, and phones.

 

Rather than come out and say, "hey, we had a problem; we fixed it but you'll have to re-enter a bunch of moves and your Alerts will be out-of-synch until such time as everyone gets back in and re-enters all the moves" .. they said NOTHING.  SILENCE.  CRICKETS.  They didn't even bother to tell you, Martin.  That's how low you are on the totem pole to the Dev Team.

 

I know for a fact, the bug was caused by some updates that were pushed out and that the site reverted to the previous version of the code. Based on what staff have mentioned, and the multiple topics about the issues, the fact that moves made didn't end up on the backend, and the bug causing the alerts to be wrong, showing the incorrect information on homepages/profiles backs that..

 

This morning staff noticed reports of notification issues, along with forum posts, along with some other bugs. It took a little while to track down but it was determined the code push was causing it and was reverted a few hours later.

 

Can't speak more to the exact reason no notifications went out, other than what I posted. I decided to post information about the fact that staff were aware of the bug in related forums and the update when the site reverted that code to provide some information.

Spacebux
Optimissed wrote:


That sounds credible. I've been noticing for a year or more that the development people aren't on top of their game. I mentioned it a couple of times.


They have made so many rank amateur mistakes, it makes one wonder if there even if a Play Book when it comes to the site's management, much-less road map.

SnowshineDog

Martin, are you -- or anyone else at chess.com -- planning on answering question #2?

SnowshineDog

this is basic customer service stuff after all

Martin_Stahl
Optimissed wrote:

Here's what really happened.  The Dev Team made a mistake and upgraded or updated something they shouldn't have.  After a period of time... 4-5 hours maybe?  They realized their mistake and could only come up with a Rollback (technical term to downgrade to the last known good / salient point) the site prior to the upgrade.  In doing so, all those moves made in the period of 4-5 hours' time were lost, unrecorded.  Yet, people's personal browsers which store ALERT data in their browser cookies were not updated or rolled-back... as chess.com can't do that.  It corrupted the whole Alert notification system for games on laptops, tablets, and phones.>>

That sounds credible. I've been noticing for a year or more that the development people aren't on top of their game. I mentioned it a couple of times.

 

The moves were not there before the rollback. The alerts were due to the moves being made even though not committed, but when members checked the games the could see that their last move was the last move of the game.

 

The bug was verified by staff while the updated code was in place (along with some other bugs). After the rollback, new moves registered correctly, and one other bug I know about was fixed as well. I saw singular reports of a couple of different bugs, but I assume those were fixed by the rollback as well.

Spacebux
SnowshineDog wrote:

Martin, are you -- or anyone else at chess.com -- planning on answering question #2?


Martin can't answer, he can only Martin-splain issues to death.

Chess.com has yet to implement a true logical structure to their core operations.  The Dev Team should not also be running Operations.  If Operations lets the Dev Team just willy-nilly push out updates and upgrades without testing them 1st on a Test server, then that is just wrong.  That's a serious No-No from like 19-Always in computer systems management.  Something Martin doesn't do but will happily Martin-splain it all-the-same with his Blue Pawn Badge of UnAuthoritativeness.

Operations should have IMMEDIATELY notified the entire site about the issue and what it may do if/when a rollback was committed.

There are some serious design and operation issues gushing through the cracks here.  And Martin will do his level best like an Iraqi Foreign Minister to Triple-Guarantee us that nothing is wrong here.

Martin_Stahl
HaughtyBishop wrote:
Will I get the points for solving my puzzles today? I get a limited number and I value the rating gains. Today, and you can look at my profile, they were not properly added.

 

Haven't heard anything about the puzzles that were calculated incorrectly. You could put a ticket in to support to see if that's something that could be fixed.

https://support.chess.com/article/346-contact-us

Martin_Stahl
Spacebux wrote

 

You present a very different image, Martin.  You stated as much making it sound like this something to be indifferent about.  And with your blue pawn badge, many here presume you DO speak for the site when you write such.

The fact is you do not know what happened.   You are not speaking on behalf of chess.com.  Nor should you have ever been put in a Moderator role---I seem to recall you were demoted for doing such a few years back, but were given a 2nd chance. 

Please stop feigning you are just a Common User when posting.  If you wanted to put up that Front you should use a different login without the Blue Pawn insignia next to your name.  That way, lay users could easily tell you are writing from the viewpoint of a common user!

For crying out loud.. go find a box of Common Sense and open it, please.

 

That is absolutely false. I was never demoted. I asked to have my moderator status removed because claims like yours that moderators shouldn't be able to post opinions and only should moderate. This was my personal account for six years prior and when I first became a moderator,  it wasn't even for forums (just a club where being a regular member wasn't sufficient at the time). And I have kept using it, just like I used it before becoming a moderator and will long after no longer being one.

 

I am a regular user, first and foremost. I happen to have additional access to staff, and have the occasion to be able to use that in a way to provide additional information. I try to be clear when I'm stating things with more authority than just a member, but mostly post to help answer questions or problems, such as today.

CannedAsparagus
Spacebux wrote:
SnowshineDog wrote:

Martin, are you -- or anyone else at chess.com -- planning on answering question #2?


Martin can't answer, he can only Martin-splain issues to death.

Chess.com has yet to implement a true logical structure to their core operations.  The Dev Team should not also be running Operations.  If Operations lets the Dev Team just willy-nilly push out updates and upgrades without testing them 1st on a Test server, then that is just wrong.  That's a serious No-No from like 19-Always in computer systems management.  Something Martin doesn't do but will happily Martin-splain it all-the-same with his Blue Pawn Badge of UnAuthoritativeness.

Operations should have IMMEDIATELY notified the entire site about the issue and what it may do if/when a rollback was committed.

There are some serious design and operation issues gushing through the cracks here.  And Martin will do his level best like an Iraqi Foreign Minister to Triple-Guarantee us that nothing is wrong here.

Okay, that made me laugh. 

 

Thank goodness I'm not playing any daily games here, or else I would've deleted my account out of frustration. 

Martin_Stahl
Optimissed wrote:

They could have a prototype version of c.c, identical but isolated, to test modifications on that. The word "update" isn't very apt. "Blunder", maybe, unless time's running backwards.

 

They do have something like that

Martin_Stahl
AntiMustard wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

Companies larger that chess.com, with a lot more resources have major bugs happen. So, it's not like things don't happen.

Because guess what: those companies also have incompetent people and management that likes to cut corners and ignores the concerns of people on the work floor.

But then I do not remember the last time I saw a bug in one of Google's products (even though I use those way more than chess.com). Oh, wait, I know why - I've never seen one, period.

 

Google has bugs and process issues. I'm fighting them now to get an email account restored because someone claimed the owner of the address was dead ... which any due diligence would have shown that not to be the case.

 

 

DefenderPug2

What were you guys exactly updating…..

Martin_Stahl
SnowshineDog wrote:

Martin, are you -- or anyone else at chess.com -- planning on answering question #2?

 

I provided my thoughts somewhere, must have been another topic, but it was just a guess. The site has rarely mass communicated about issues.

Martin_Stahl
DefenderPug2 wrote:

What were you guys exactly updating…..

 

Apparently there were a lot of updates. I have no idea of everything touched or the scope. A guess is they were considered relatively minor, but apparently one or more caused the major issues, or some code interacting with them.

DefenderPug2

Your a nice human. Martin

Wits-end
Spacebux wrote:
Wits-end wrote:

@Martin_Stahl is a great mod in my opinion. He has the moxie to weigh in and try to help and usually gets only grief for things outside his scope of control. The bug appears to be resolved on my end. It’s just one day in the life of chess.com and not a big deal for me. If I could get my internet to be more reliable… 

 

“Yes, brown-nose points for you.  *golf clap* “

You mad Bro? Get over it and move on. “Rating matters not” he says… 

Spacebux
CannedAsparagus wrote:
Spacebux wrote:


Martin can't answer, he can only Martin-splain issues to death.

Chess.com has yet to implement a true logical structure to their core operations.  The Dev Team should not also be running Operations.  If Operations lets the Dev Team just willy-nilly push out updates and upgrades without testing them 1st on a Test server, then that is just wrong.  That's a serious No-No from like 19-Always in computer systems management.  Something Martin doesn't do but will happily Martin-splain it all-the-same with his Blue Pawn Badge of UnAuthoritativeness.

Operations should have IMMEDIATELY notified the entire site about the issue and what it may do if/when a rollback was committed.

There are some serious design and operation issues gushing through the cracks here.  And Martin will do his level best like an Iraqi Foreign Minister to Triple-Guarantee us that nothing is wrong here.

Okay, that made me laugh. 

 

Thank goodness I'm not playing any daily games here, or else I would've deleted my account out of frustration. 


Nobody else remembers this guy... .

I just wonder when chess.com will get serious about their system operations... .