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runner89

I started this thread because a fellow member of chess.com, Manipulated, asked me why I claim evolution is impossible. If anyone has anything they would like to add, please do so respectfully, or we won't be able to discuss this at all.

To start, I would like to give the example of the blood. Blood is an amazingly complex thing, and for it to have evolved one part at a time is physically impossible. The fact that blood clots when you cut your finger is actually proof that evolution could not have occured, because of how insanely complex the process of clotting is. One author, Michael J. Behe, describes the process as being irreducibly complex, meaning that if you take out any part of it, it no longer works. If you would like to find out about the whole process, I would sugest that you check out the book "Darwins Black Box" and read the chapter titled        "Rube Goldberg in the Blood", as I couldn't explain the whole thing without taking up an impossible amount of space. This is a start, I'll give more reasons for my beliefs later.


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runner89 wrote:

I started this thread because a fellow member of chess.com, Manipulated, asked me why I claim evolution is impossible. If anyone has anything they would like to add, please do so respectfully, or we won't be able to discuss this at all.

To start, I would like to give the example of the blood. Blood is an amazingly complex thing, and for it to have evolved one part at a time is physically impossible. The fact that blood clots when you cut your finger is actually proof that evolution could not have occured, because of how insanely complex the process of clotting is. One author, Michael J. Behe, describes the process as being irreducibly complex, meaning that if you take out any part of it, it no longer works. If you would like to find out about the whole process, I would sugest that you check out the book "Darwins Black Box" and read the chapter titled        "Rube Goldberg in the Blood", as I couldn't explain the whole thing without taking up an impossible amount of space. This is a start, I'll give more reasons for my beliefs later.


 The  THEORY of EVOLUTION is just that an unproven theory. Not a very good one at that. My beef against it is that it requires just as much blind faith as does any religion. Theories are either proven or not. Evolution as presented is silly and fails to give any convincing proof!-SIX


Manipulated

Evolution never claimed that something evolved over night, the human (or which ever creature you want) blood is indeed very complex, but keep in mind that human did not appear as they are but evolved from more primitive creatures, and those primitive creatures themselves did not have what we call blood, but rather diverse liquids needed for the creatures survival (from which blood comes (evolved) from). Note that here, creatures refers to any living thing, from animals to single cell.

Also keep in mind that evolution does not happen once you are born and grown up, you will not wake up with a third arm tomorrow. The process itself is very slow and takes many generations to be visible. Evolution claims that life evolved from more primitive forms to what it is today, and [b]still[/b] continues evolving.  From reproduction, genes are inherited to a new individual, creating a full new individual with a similar genotype to its parents but not entirely identical. Mutation can happen in the process and give birth to a new genotype which will live or die depending on how well pre-adapted to its environment it is. A gross example would be a bird which cannot fly, if it lives in an environment filled with predators, it will probably die, if it lives on an isolated island, it will probably live on and reproduce, thus giving it's mutated genes to its offsprings.

This means that before the blood that you have running down your veins, many types of blood appeared, some which were good enough for the creature to live on, some of which lead to disaster, the mutated individual died prematurely or was too weak to survive. 

You cannot deny the fact that mankind created new species of dogs by controlled and surpervised reproduction. A slight change in the genotype of a dog can lead to failure, but there are changes that will not be disastrous. Same goes with blood, some changes will make it very unstable and lead to the death of the creature, while other will be an advantage. 


erik
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Evolution is natural selection taking place over billions of years.  First, there was an organism with a clotting mutation, or whose blood could clot more efficiently than other living organisms.  That organism reproduced, the mutation was passed on, et cetera, et cetera.  This is proven by similarities between the organisms in the fossil record, and by similarities between the organisms currently living today.

 

Also, and I ask this candidly, with no strings attatched, what do you believe runn? 


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