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trysts wrote:
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So this is how it is for me .

I watch you know .

I see my thoughts and feelings and behaviours happening .

I used to recognise a choice whether or not to solve when I conceptualised a problem but now I know it's better to live in the moment and keep a clear mind . That if I worry I agitate my brain and get paranoid .

Sure some times I know there is a path A and a path B but what I find is I just want to venture down one or the other .

I find that want just exists trysts . Belief just exists .

Does anyone truly believe that we can choose whether or not to believe in God ? Really ?

Love is like that . God knows we love people at times we oughtn't right ?

I have to wonder, once again, who you think is observing you, since you don't believe in a self? Has Chess.com become the website of split personalities? Should Psychology Today do an in depth investigation?

 I don't know what happened to you where you want so much to believe you had no choice? But I do know that Jake Gyllenhaal better do a comedy soon or I won't be able to watch his movies anymore

Tom?   lol, it was set up.  Cool

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In answer to your question trysts .

I think that awareness , consciousness is the universe observing itself .

So when you are busy thinking about something and distracted, you sometimes drive subconsciously home no ?

Sometimes it possible to drive the wrong way if it's a habit to drive somewhere usually .

But you don't see that as you though do you ?

You weren't aware of it , it just happened .

You know trysts just because the awareness thing happens doesn't necessarily mean that in reality there was any more control involved by a self as such .

Awareness , the experience , creates a delusion .

In my view all there is is the universe . Forces and materials .


But you know trysts you made a very valid point that actually I I haven't made a particularly coherent argument re free will and perhaps part of that is it's not the prize for me .

I want to establish what exactly we are . That's my goal .
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Well, that was creepy! Thanks, Meximartini, I think I'll skip that oneLaughing

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Oh by the way trysts . This idea that something happened to me that caused me to need to hold the position that free will is false .

You're taking about causality no ?

Isn't that exactly the argument I'm making no ?
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I do think though that there was something in what you said about I need more . I'd agree with that .

I've actually completely came to terms with the fact God doesn't exist but it's true that I haven't managed to get a handle on what we are as yet .

Anyway thanks for your posts. It's always a genuine pleasure to read you . Maybe one day I'll have a forum on free will but to be honest my thread is about my interest in the nature of reality and free will is only a part of that rather than the whole thing . I'm here because I want to know . The fundamentals .
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tomtrytostay wrote:
Oh by the way trysts . This idea that something happened to me that caused me to need to hold the position that free will is false .

You're taking about causality no ?

Isn't that exactly the argument I'm making no ?

No. To find a motive is not the same as negating a free choiceWink

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Nice trysts . You sure are smart .

Anyway if ever I do get an especially clear view of reality or of free will I'll let you know .

Thank you very much for addressing my points and being gentle !

Also it was a pleasure seeing you Mexi and Pulp . Thanks guy .

I'm about to exercise my free will and go listen to some Ella Fitzgerald !

One more thing , like Columbo.

I'm wondering trysts . Do you believe you could choose to believe in God ?
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And if we can't choose our beliefs then perhaps we can't choose our wants . Maybe even what we want is based on what we believe ..

Does anyone actually believe that they could choose to or not to believe in God ?

I sure as hell don't .
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Gods don't make sense to me, Tom, and that's why I don't believe in them:)

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I actually really like your first point trysts about the burden of proof being to disprove experience .

You see trysts we have contradictory experiences perhaps .

I guess you'd say that your experience tells you that free will exists and I would say that mine tells me that free will does not exists .

How about I show you mine and you show me yours?

Why didn't you say it before?! Man, you have a complicated way to achieve those things!

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I'll think about that trysts . Interesting answer . Thanks for your company and for replying to my outburst !
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Ha ha !
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Pulp . What did you mean about my position being contradictory?
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More or less what trysts is spotting in her posts.

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Ah okay . Well thank you .
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You're still wrong but I'm more able to accept it now!!!
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I actually really like your first point trysts about the burden of proof being to disprove experience .

You see trysts we have contradictory experiences perhaps .

I guess you'd say that your experience tells you that free will exists and I would say that mine tells me that free will does not exists .

How about I show you mine and you show me yours?

Why didn't you say it before?! Man, you have a complicated way to achieve those things!

Lol!Laughing

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I thinks Tom's statements are contradictory . Oh you didn't mean me!
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That's interesting Nikprit . Thanks for the post.