what are we?

Ham my belief is that we have no real control .

I was thinking about this today though .

For me the closest thing that I see to a real free choice is the choice I experience when I perceive a problem i.e a choice whether or not to solve .

All the other choices I find that I just do what feels right really naturally .

For me I think it's a bit like this analogy here .

In life we go down a slide . We might think we can go down another slide but we can't , think we can go up the slide but we can't . All we can do is realise this and in realising this , lie back and relax and stop banging our arms on the side .

Bah! 

For poetry read Milton's On His Blindness, and consider whether you are blind.

I think there are two..no, multiple...paths we can choose. What is Alton Towers?

Ha! I just looked that up a while ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFFS3ndWSJ4

that's the Boys...

Alright, since chess.com hasn't provided cockroach-bomb-in-the-thread functionality, guess I'll do the sensible thing and leave. YAAAAY!

See you bots in another universe.

Same to you, bro.

bringing people together. God bless Tomtryto. 

  No, Kay said she/he knows what another is ( you). That would be something, since her/his discovery about you may the same about herself/himself. It's quite a breakthrough in someone's life to discover what/who they are.

  But they can't help it, and neither can mankind in general. It's not a matter of will, as you noticed, to not do that. It's a matter of understanding what's going on, and that is not a decision, nor does it come as a result of practice; how does it happen?

Troy at 220.
I absolutely agree my friend .
Two points .
Firstly a secure person doesn't go around attacking people .
Secondly I have to say Troy I know who I am . I am love .
It's what I am I'm here to learn .

Troy 221 .
I absolutely agree with you . My feeling is this agitation comes through non acceptance and non acceptance comes through trying to understand things . Better just to notice what is .
It's amazing how clear things become when we aren't mindful .
I wasn't judging my nieces of course . Just observing that they were resisting reality .
Fh made a very valid point that it's appropriate to fight poor behaviour but what I saw was a struggle to accept that things are the way they are .

It's a little difficult to put into words . They wanted the world to chase to find peace whereas you have to find peace despite the world . The world won't bend for us .

Are mindful !

Change !

I have to leave this thread now . Too much posting for my wife . Thanks and bye

Best wishes Tom. You're a nice guy but I don't know how far that will get you in this life. I'm thinking not even to 300 posts. 

   They were just trying to avoid the real issue, which is oneself. All that we do, as a people, is an attempt to avoid looking at ourselves. Of course, it doesn't work because whereas a physical avoidance of an object moving towards us works, avoing ourselves never does.

  The reason is because the object and we are two different things, whereas the part that avoids and the part being avoided are one and the same thing. And so we keep trying to run away from ourselves, not understanding that it's an impossible task.

  What is a secure person? One finds security in Jesus and says 'I am Jesus' or'I am God'. Another finds another concept from which they derive security. Is such a person secure? When the concept is challenged ( and to be sure it will), insecurity kicks in.

 

  Is there security in a concept, in a formula, in an idea, in a statement ( verbal or inside one's head? Some think, for instance, that they must constantly remember who or what they are, since they're bound to forget, and they keep reminding themselves whatever they identify themselves with. That concept/idea gives them security. Like I said, when challenged, security reveals its true form: it was insecurity all along.

  There are systems of thought which believe in remembering who or what we are.

  Perhaps more important than finding out something which is completely secure, is our need for security. Why we need mental security may be more very revealing. It exposes our deep inner insecurity. And instead of remaining there, we run towards identifying ourselves with whatever we picked out from society that will give us the projected security.

  But the insecure mind knows nothing about security: it is insecure through and through, including its projections.

  Superficial changes happen all the time. But deep ones, I don't see any: we are the same barbaric people from ancient times--with refined tools and venues , but inwardly just as barbaric.

Ok?