actually women are chainon manquant btw men and apes, we can prove it :
men come from women, men have 99.99 % of apes DNA , women give birth to men, so btw men and apes we find women/mothers , cqfd quod est demonstrandum.
what are we ? mother's son ! well... hellOP !!!!!mon ami
We are apes. The human race is one of the Great Ape species, as are chimpanzee apes, bonobo apes, gorilla apes, and orangutan apes.
Interesting scientific fact: chimpanzee apes are more closely related to human apes than they are to gorillas and orangutans.
So you're satisfied to think that we are an ape mutation? Oh please.
bonobos gave men because the boss of tribe slept with a neanderthal female
it gave cro magnons, lucy, Tautavel man and fB ancestors, french bonobos with chromozom z !!! scientific
and they even have names.
science is great, you can quote the research to pretend you're intelligent.
and they even have names.
science is great, you can quote the research to pretend you're intelligent.
So do I i quote big brain CK, so i'm intelligent
@troy7915
I disagree that the changes humans bring about are superficial. They are, in fact, permanent and far-reaching. Animal species have gone extinct. Manmade pesticides and chemical pollutants are found in the farthest reaches of the planet, antarctica and elsewhere. The U.S. will not return the land to native Americans. Europeans and Americans will not be burning/drowning women for witchcraft. People in Africa will not be kidnapped and sold as slaves to American Conderate States, so on and so forth.
Separate from the changes humans exert upon the world, I think you are referring to the changes humans make within themselves. On that point, I agree with you. No question there.
The US will not return the land to native Americans, but we are still nationalistic, caring about a stupid piece of land which gives us a psychological identity. Tribes, cities, countries, the division of our planet: no change.
Despite not burning witches anymore, justice is still a cover up for corruption: the system, any system, is corrupt, at the very core.
Despite appearing more refined and subtle, deep down we are still barbaric, violent--me against you, you against me: no change.
hamburgerperson wrote:
Best wishes Tom. You're a nice guy but I don't know how far that will get you in this life. I'm thinking not even to 300 posts.
Thank you for the compliment . I believe in you too. I had a thread reach 7500. It's not about that for me . I love people and I love the topic and that's it really .
troy7915 wrote:
tomtrytostay wrote:
Troy 221 . I absolutely agree with you . My feeling is this agitation comes through non acceptance and non acceptance comes through trying to understand things . Better just to notice what is . It's amazing how clear things become when we aren't mindful . I wasn't judging my nieces of course . Just observing that they were resisting reality . Fh made a very valid point that it's appropriate to fight poor behaviour but what I saw was a struggle to accept that things are the way they are .It's a little difficult to put into words . They wanted the world to chase to find peace whereas you have to find peace despite the world . The world won't bend for us .
They were just trying to avoid the real issue, which is oneself. All that we do, as a people, is an attempt to avoid looking at ourselves. Of course, it doesn't work because whereas a physical avoidance of an object moving towards us works, avoing ourselves never does.
The reason is because the object and we are two different things, whereas the part that avoids and the part being avoided are one and the same thing. And so we keep trying to run away from ourselves, not understanding that it's an impossible task.
Wow congratulations . That's a beautiful post Troy . Exactly where I was coming from .
Ok
BeowuIf wrote:
"The world won't bend for us", says tomtrytostay
The world is not bendable. But it is changeable.
1 peasant defying the King, gets his head cut off. 100,000 peasants defying the King, the King's head is cut off. And the Monarchy is no more.
1 Timothy McVeigh cannot help lift just one life out of poverty even if he wanted to. But 1 same Timothy McVeigh can blow up a federal building, snuff out hundreds of lives, wounding hundreds mo
Interesting how the laws of the universe makes it so that the labor and force put into the destruction hundreds of lives is infinitely less than the labour and force needed to help just one fellow man.
( I could use any of the other terrorist as example. But Timothy McVeigh has a name and everybody knows the details)
Great point . I think though that this we is actually the world . It's all a part of a pattern a greater one . We just suffer a delusion that we are separate
troy7915 wrote:
BeowuIf wrote:
@troy7915
I disagree that the changes humans bring about are superficial. They are, in fact, permanent and far-reaching. Animal species have gone extinct. Manmade pesticides and chemical pollutants are found in the farthest reaches of the planet, antarctica and elsewhere. The U.S. will not return the land to native Americans. Europeans and Americans will not be burning/drowning women for witchcraft. People in Africa will not be kidnapped and sold as slaves to American Conderate States, so on and so forth.
Separate from the changes humans exert upon the world, I think you are referring to the changes humans make within themselves. On that point, I agree with you. No question there.
The US will not return the land to native Americans, but we are still nationalistic, caring about a stupid piece of land which gives us a psychological identity. Tribes, cities, countries, the division of our planet: no change.
Despite not burning witches anymore, justice is still a cover up for corruption: the system, any system, is corrupt, at the very core.
Despite appearing more refined and subtle, deep down we are still barbaric, violent--me against you, you against me: no change.
Troy that's so negative . What would a slave from earlier times have made of the achievements of Barack ?
We chemically castrated a national hero here in Alan Turin for the sole reason he was homosexual .
Things aren't perfect but they sure are getting better .
I do believe though that what we are is what we were and what we will be .
It's a bit scary to me that people can't see we are related to other life forms .
We clearly are animals . Why should we be so different ? It's all a part of nature .
Just shows though how a person can believe something and it doesn't matter how many things they see that proves otherwise , they'll keep on believing .
Things aren't perfect but they sure are getting better .
I do believe though that what we are is what we were and what we will be .
Let's see what 'better' really is. We are certainly filling up some potholes, like many would see, say, things before Rosa Parks and after her, in that particular area. And every area has the so-called improvements.
But while we fill up some potholes---because the understanding is not total, it doesn't include the whole thing--in that very process we are digging up new holes, which then will have to be fixed, with the creation of new holes and so on. And we call this improvements, 'better', progress.
In actuality, change is not gradual: it is never partial, never gradual, when it comes to the human psyche.
I'm not judging them ghostess! I'm just saying that things go wrong.
What could be more beautiful than a lady giving birth to a child but you know Ghostess sometimes even that becomes abnormal.
It's not unheard of for a new mother to become seriously mentally disturbed , I've read of it.
What is criminal behaviour, Tom? This question is based on the nice idea that justice exists in the world and that we have a system to deal with the injustice.
Is it criminal behavior to send one's son to war to defend a psychological identity, to be nationalistic? No. Is it criminal behaviour to discriminate? Only sometimes.
Society seems to be in order, but dig a little bit deeper, just a little bit, and we can see complete disorder, complete chaos. People walk about their business half-asleep, and when they're chalenged a little bit, their bigotry or partiality is fully revealing itself.
The fact is that there is no justice whatsoever.
Troy I think that's what I saw. That soceity is inequitable and it occurred to me that no one is talking about how to deal with that. Guys like firstplay talk about the unfairness and that's great but I'm talking about how things like punishment and education are viewed.
Seems it's a vote winner to talk about being tough rather than to talk about results in dealing with crime.
Part of the problem is these things take time to resolve and goverments think short term.
That's something that needs to change.
don't tell me there are people who still go for that evolution tooth fairy stuff! sheeeesh!
Those people include every single competent biologist in the world, and the several million people who have something you apparently don't have, they are scientifically literate.
Science education is a wonderful thing. I recommend it.
Always nice to see C-K and others that don't fall for that 'Theory of Evolution' hoax. 
don't tell me there are people who still go for that evolution tooth fairy stuff! sheeeesh!