what are we?

I'm thinking about free will and choice again this morning .

What I see is this .

My logic tells me that free will doesn't exist . All we are is biological and chemical material so why in the world would something like free will exist ?

I suspect that it's a delusion , an imagined concept that's became so popular that now it's accepted as common sense but really it's not .

However hawking talked about there being a Darwinian reason for us believing that free will exists and I do actually find that I'm far more comfortable when I follow the idea that choice is present .

Without accepting that choice exist we are left bewildered and confused . Disturbed .

Perhaps the truth is though it sounds strange that choice exists but not free will .

After all clearly selections are made but it may very well be the case that when we make these choices the choices we make are invariably as a result of factors out of our control such and internal and external needs and the biological and chemical compositions of our bodies .

We are slime plus molecules...Puss of the  earth...Creepy animals.

Ah . I know what you mean . We are disgusting at times right ?!

It's almost like we'd like to shed our bodies and become pure spirit . Pure mind .

Maybe that's because we've come to see ourselves as some sort of divine choosing being rather than the base animal we are .

Flesh vs spirit right .

And yet people sacrifice their lives for a cause . What in the world are we ?!!!

You know another day of just watching the world go by . Don't you ever wish you could defy convention ? Do something crazy ?!

But you know maybe it's just frustration at feeling I have no options .

Lack of free will is a concern for me because of lack of options .

Not enough money and not enough time to myself . Not enough professional and social opportunities . I want more !

Still I honestly couldn't be happier . I'm so blessed . I think I just feel frustrated . It's like there's a code in front of me and it reveals the meaning of life and I've almost got it but not quite .

I need to relax . I'll go back to being mindful and post on that thread about it but come here when I notice or wonder something .

Thank you !

What I am right now is pleased that I care . I have a friend at work and I've been sympathetic . You know sometimes you have to give it straight when you care about someone

You give your hand to me , and then you say hello . I love all these classical love songs . Love songs really touch our souls don't they ?

You know the gentle violins, the soft drum strokes and the beautiful caring lyrics .

It's amazing how music can put us in touch with feelings even though those feelings aren't really about anything in particular .

If anything convinces me I've a soul then it's music .

I enjoy being able to come here and express myself . It's therapeutic and relaxing and I'm very interested in the topic what are we . It's lovely to have a little company too while I explore .

   Only superfcially are there differences. Like opinions or the objects of one's beliefs: but belief is common to most human beings.

  So if one goes deep enough, there are no differences. The patterns are identical.

  There we go again: expressing ourselves. What exactly are we expressing? And is that therapeutic? One unloads something off their mind: but it's still there, it didn't go anywhere. It only seemed to.

Hey I'm so delighted you've joined me Troy . I'll post you am

  Not so easy to keep track of you, let me tell you. Haha.

That made me laugh . Well my friend I'm here to stay . This is the thread I'll stay with now till I quit or find the answer .

 Haha, it may be necessary to quit! Some things are to be found in silence, alone.

you are the world.

You are the children

Troy 74.
I agree . It's the fundamental similarities that draws me . I want to see the pattern that lies beneath .

Having said that I do actually very much enjoy hearing about people . How they see things and so on . It's true though it's solving the puzzle that keeps me here .

I like the jigsaw .

Wow Troy at 75.
I'd agree actually .

I think that the truth is I just like to talk . I love to chat too. Having said that often I'm too tired to chat, weary , but I find I love examining this subject .

I suppose I just like allowing my mind to create ideas and explore what we are .

I did find it helpful though looking at choice and so on . It made me review my current understanding and I'm saner, more healthy , as a result .

According to religion and pantheism,nature is contain awareness.The living things contained more awareness than non living things.Animals contained more awareness than the trees.

For the evolution believers,it is interesting to be questioned whether the 'we' in the trees is the same with the 'we' in the animals.And so on.

One guessing is the living things are comes from non living things.Obviously it is need a leap.We can take a look at little gravel,virus/trees,then bacteria.

Another guessing is the living things are moving from galaxies to galaxies.This guess needs a never beginning universe and never beginning lives.As we know that scientist have found the beginning of galaxy creation and exploding stars.

Troy 75. That's interesting it didn't go anywhere . And yet we come to terms with things . Make peace . Something changes . We solve the puzzle and we understand .

I'm not sure how solving what we are will change my life . P