What Covid-19 vaccines have you had?
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Sep 29, 2023
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#243
I can't recall, but that group has low risk of death for sure. It is then more relevant what the effect on non-lethal impact is, including long covid.
Sep 29, 2023
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#244
Lol, in my state, the hospital nearby had more hospitalized during Covid who were vaccinated than people who were not.
Sep 29, 2023
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#245
gamelord3080 wrote:
Lol, in my state, the hospital nearby had more hospitalized during Covid who were vaccinated than people who were not.
Where's the evidence of that?
Sep 29, 2023
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#246
Water attracted lightning and the bear.
Fire wanted to balance out the water.
Plastic caused the cancer and allergy.
Anyone who uses bottled water should be divorced, lose their legs, and be bald.
It's just divine justice. My book says so.
Sep 29, 2023
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#247
llama_l wrote:
For it not to be rhetoric, you need to show a causal relationship between water bottles and bear attacks (or COVID vaccines and _____).
It's not enough to ad hoc ergo propter hoc on it. You have to show how.
(note to kids, causal and casual are two very different words...)
I even predicted your question. It's all in my book
Sep 29, 2023
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#248
llama_l wrote:
Oh yeah?
Bet you didn't predict DEEZ.
My book says Eve shouldn't have touched the nuts or the snake in between.
Sep 30, 2023
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#249
gamelord3080 wrote:
Lol, in my state, the hospital nearby had more hospitalized during Covid who were vaccinated than people who were not.
Two examples for you to learn from:
- Far more people who have two arms die of lung cancer than those with one arm. Therefore having superfluous arms is what causes lung cancer. Is this reasoning valid?
- Most people don't receive pensions, but most people who have Alzheimer's disease do receive pensions. Therefore receiving a pension causes Alzheimer's disease and it is wise to refuse to get one. Is this reasoning valid?
The first example illustrates that you need to take into account the fraction of the population that has been vaccinated. You didn't.
The second example points you to the fact that it is the relative risk after allowing for confounding factors that matters. All serious analysis uses this approach. If that is too difficult for you, get your advice from someone who does understand it, not someone who does not.
Sep 30, 2023
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#250
All I know is that I ain’t taking chances, my brother in law had a horrible panic attack after getting vaccinated, and anxiety is a possible side effect
Sep 30, 2023
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#252
I know there is risk in everything, and it is my choice that getting vaccinated isn’t a worth it risk for me, I am young and decently healthy with good immunity. The diseases don’t pose a huge threat to me, thus I choose not to take the risk of vaccination, I’m not going to tell you not to get vaccinated, I’m just saying that the risk isn’t worth it for me specifically
Sep 30, 2023
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#253
therealtomfitz wrote:
I know there is risk in everything, and it is my choice that getting vaccinated isn’t a worth it risk for me, I am young and decently healthy with good immunity. The diseases don’t pose a huge threat to me, thus I choose not to take the risk of vaccination, I’m not going to tell you not to get vaccinated, I’m just saying that the risk isn’t worth it for me specifically
I think it's more accurate to say that you guess the risk isn't worth it for you. Research shows benefit for young adults. For example, this study, showing reduced risk of death and hospitalisation for 16-29 year olds. It is certainly true that the benefit is lower than for older age groups, but there is a requirement for there to be net benefit for a vaccine to be used in an age group.
That's the 1st I hear of an "anxiety attack" over the vaccine. 
Some people have anxiety attacks getting in an elevator.
Oct 2, 2023
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#257
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Friend got pericarditis from just one shot. Glad I kept away.
Oct 2, 2023
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#259
RonaldJosephCote wrote:
This was welcome news.
It's interesting that the work justifying the prize was mostly done over 10 years ago, but it was the pressing need of a global pandemic that allowed its application, by providing sufficient resources. It would have been better if there had been recognition that it was worth doing the research in advance of the pandemic - the benefit to the global economy of vaccines being available, say, 6 months earlier would have been tremendous (so justifying the expenditure in advance, if only someone could have realised). Now the technology is finding applications in other areas of medicine as a side benefit of the rapid progress while the need was greatest.
Analysis published in Scientific American found that in March 2022, allowing for the effect of age, the vaccinated but not boosted had an 8 times lower risk of dying than the unvaccinated, and those who had sensibly followed advice and got boosters had a 170 times lower risk of dying. The importance of this rises with age, as risks increase a lot with age.