What if the Theory of Evolution is Right? (Part I)

_Number_6: the Portuguese sentence that you typed to me is only used to very stupid people. If you think that applies to me, I simple don't talk to you. But don't be so fast in trying to hit people with this kind of expression, because doing this, you only show that it actually applies to yourself. 

MindWalk, now to you. 

First of all, thank you for showing that the way pawnwhacker was using the work "carp" was meant to be "crap". But this is already solved. 

You asked me about the spiritual ascendance. God exists, and created laws in the Universe that is followed by all (including Him) since the beginning. It's not just on Earth, but the entire Universe. We are not just bodies of flesh with some strange temporary life. And in the end we turn to be... nothing. You do have an Spirit. One thing is your body, another is your soul. The first is temporary and will have the same destination of all material things: aging, decomposition and transformation. The second is the immaterial being and it's eternal. This is what you really are: this immaterial thing that survives the destruction of your body.  I vaguely remember there being a time, when I was still a child--perhaps even in my teens--when I believed that. I was taught it, having had a Presbyterian mother and having heard of Plato. But I lost belief in that. I don't even know what a soul would be. Oh, I know, it's the essence of you. But what does that mean? Or, it's the spiritual part of you. Again, what does that mean? We can, more and more, demonstrate that consciousness arises from the workings of the brain. But what would the role of a soul be? It seems to be just something extra that the church would like you to believe in. It seems to be a metaphysical extravagance. And if it is unrelated to consciousness, then what is its point, anyway?

Talk of souls and spirits and essences is the sort of talk that invokes our ability to conceive of all sorts of imagined things but that rests on no actual evidence. And it's terribly vague, which should set off alarms in your belief-forming mind.

The proves of all this are being took by many scientists and mediuns around the World, specialy here in Brazil. Let me be the first to tell you that many bad intentioned people try to get advantage over this. But they are the enemies to be overcome. It's not because bad doctors existed that the Medicine is wrong. Same thing here. All sorts of things are made out to be real...and then are shown not to be. Faith healing, for instance. Purported mediums turn out to be frauds, or at best to be deceiving themselves. Once again, alarm bells are set off.

The problem is that people don't use to want the true. They don't think "let me see if God and Spirits exist". That's the way they think: "God and Spirits don't exist. So, it dosen't matter who you are and what you say. if it is at the God's side, than it's a lie". What would you think of an physics scientist that came here and say: "I don't believe in the gravity force. So, all in favor of this is a lie". Would you give him credit, just for denying everything against his believes? No. Same thing here. I would love for spirits to exist. I would like nothing better than to be able to believe that in fact, I will survive death. I desperately, desperately, desperately want to believe that--I hope I am wrong when I think that there is very likely no afterlife. But hope is not good reason for belief, and I see no good reason to think that there is an afterlife, and I see some reason to think that there isn't. Alas.

And don't forget: many people enjoy and defend until the end the inexistence of God because this is good for they. Those who live a wrong life have too much to fear (I'm not saying that is the case of someone here).

We have proves of God all day, MindWalk, we just don't want to see. And I'm not talking in this fanatic way, but being true. Many things are wrong in religion, but this will ask for a big discussion. I've never seen a "proof" that I agreed was rationally persuasive, but I'm open to counterexamples.

Well, if you are interested, we can talk about it during the days. I can show to you what I believe to be the prove, and you make your judgement. See you! 

Elroch: I believe your questions was the same made by pawnwhacker and MindWalk, correct? 

Can you read my comments to they? But I left to talk with you about my sentence "one day man will prove all". Well, this should not be a surprise... At each day science grow and discover many new things. Here, in "Kardecismo" we do believe in science, my friend! The only difference to someone like me to others here is the materialism. They believe all is comming from nothing. I believe in God (or any other name you give to this entity). But not a believe as you are used to see here. 

Some scientists are being able to photography Spirits. Others are proving the true about some communications with what they call "the other side". I do not think that is true. You will have to show us sources of information for these claims. I don't know of anyone who can photograph spirits. There is such a thing as Kirlian photography, of course, but it doesn't work by photographing spirits. And there are certainly people who claim to be mediums. But I haven't seen any good evidence that anybody really is a medium. And surely scientists, who are human beings, would love to see evidence that there is an afterlife. Surely, if there really were good evidence of it, scientists would have investigated it, found that it was good evidence, and told us that yes, indeed, there seems to be an afterlife. Why so much surprise? This things happens all day at our side. Do you prefer to believe that you are just flesh, than accept to have a Spirit, even if it's being comproved? See, my friend? 

Day to day, man will discovering new things and explanations. One day (don't ask me when) we will "find" God. You can be sure. But until there, we fight here to make the progress grow. 

Between "Evolution, God, Global Warming, and Politics," we are slowly building an infinite landscape for Posturing in the main discussion threads.

It's fascinating how the main threads start looking more and more like the "Open Discussion" groups, where that kind of craziness abounds --

http://www.chess.com/groups/view/open-discussion

http://www.chess.com/groups/view/tirades-and-vendettas

Royale-Prince, thank you for your kind words.

For purposes of this discussion I have been siding with the Catholics, but not because I'm Catholic. I have no argument with those outside orthodox Christianity. I would not argue from, say, a Hindu point of view because I don't understand it.

Anyway, this thread is not and has never been about evolution. It is about New Atheism vs the rest of the world. It is about radical materialism vs rational coherence. It is about humanity as rational beings vs humanity as advanced robotics.

....obviously E99. But for them, they keep playing like it isn't. What word can I use ?....Denial.

Yes, patterns are found. Then those patterns are tested by making predictions with them and checking those predictions. Then this is repeated thousands of times and if it never fails, to an extent that make is utterly implausible that the pattern is illusory, the pattern is called a theory, such as the Theory of Evolution.

Presumably your knowledge doesn't extend past the first sentence.