what is love ?
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Apr 18, 2016
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#24
Best pony no idea what that meant but it made me laugh . Nice pictures and loving faces .
Babies smile with such love no ?
Love of life and love of others . What happens to us?
We become so cynical and so jaded , so fearful . Hiding our hearts .
Babies smile with such love no ?
Love of life and love of others . What happens to us?
We become so cynical and so jaded , so fearful . Hiding our hearts .
Apr 18, 2016
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#25
Wow Jen such a powerful post . Thank you for your honesty . Well I respect your decision not to talk personally but I don't mind doing it at all !
In fact to be honest I don't think I'd make much sense if I didn't .
The first thing that I want to say is I genuinely opened this forum because I thought it would be fun to explore love . And I am enjoying it .
I'm primarily interested in learning and having fun . So for me it's not about saying this is the truth , listen to me I'm right .
I sense in your post that you feel the same . You're interested too and enjoying thinking about love .
I'll respond to what you've said .
In fact to be honest I don't think I'd make much sense if I didn't .
The first thing that I want to say is I genuinely opened this forum because I thought it would be fun to explore love . And I am enjoying it .
I'm primarily interested in learning and having fun . So for me it's not about saying this is the truth , listen to me I'm right .
I sense in your post that you feel the same . You're interested too and enjoying thinking about love .
I'll respond to what you've said .
Apr 18, 2016
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#26
Okay this idea that unconditional love means to give the other what they want .
That's wrong . What you're saying is that the unconditional love a person has exists on the conditions imposed upon it . It's not like that .
It exists no matter what . It's like light during the day . It's just there . Only this light can never be extinguished .
So it's not about pleasing the other and it's not about wanting something from the other either .
It's just about seeing the beauty in a person and loving them for the beauty that they possess.
That's wrong . What you're saying is that the unconditional love a person has exists on the conditions imposed upon it . It's not like that .
It exists no matter what . It's like light during the day . It's just there . Only this light can never be extinguished .
So it's not about pleasing the other and it's not about wanting something from the other either .
It's just about seeing the beauty in a person and loving them for the beauty that they possess.
Apr 18, 2016
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#27
Jen I'm going to be personal with you but feel free to ignore my point .
I think your mind tells you that I'm wrong but your heart tells me I'm right .
Listen to how you feel about your daughter . My belief is that you know absolutely inside your heart you'll always love her . No matter what . And not because you want something from her , not because you have a need , but purely because you've seen the true beauty of who she truly is .
This unconditional and absolute is that way .
It's not asking for anything and it's not giving anything . It just is .
I think your mind tells you that I'm wrong but your heart tells me I'm right .
Listen to how you feel about your daughter . My belief is that you know absolutely inside your heart you'll always love her . No matter what . And not because you want something from her , not because you have a need , but purely because you've seen the true beauty of who she truly is .
This unconditional and absolute is that way .
It's not asking for anything and it's not giving anything . It just is .
What's love got to do, got to do with it? What's love, but a second hand emotion? Who needs a heart when a heart can be broken?
Apr 18, 2016
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#29
I think that people attach things to love .
They say I love you so you have do to this .
Or I love you so I have to do this .
We have to do this .
Love isn't about that . Love is pure and innocent and undemanding .
Saying if I can't love you no one can has absolutely nothing to do with love .
They say I love you so you have do to this .
Or I love you so I have to do this .
We have to do this .
Love isn't about that . Love is pure and innocent and undemanding .
Saying if I can't love you no one can has absolutely nothing to do with love .
Apr 18, 2016
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#31
I promise you that eternal love does it exist . I know that's true and it does actually feel beautiful to have found it .
And you know it's not about expecting anything . I don't .
It's just knowing that you've seen someone so beautiful so clearly that you'll always always love them .
And that's truly beautiful .
And you know it's not about expecting anything . I don't .
It's just knowing that you've seen someone so beautiful so clearly that you'll always always love them .
And that's truly beautiful .
Love is different things to different people and applied differently even by the same person. I love my daughters. I love my wife. I love my parents. I love my cat. I love competition. I love chocolate chip cookies. I would kill and die for my family but not a cookie. Define love.
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Thank you denner. You are thinking of sex .
Its a song by Tina Turner.
Apr 18, 2016
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#34
You don't say . I just thought that it's a bit dismissive of love . It sounded more like a song talking of lust to me .
Apr 18, 2016
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#35
Right denner . The Greeks had many words for many different types of love . There is different types I suppose .
Define love . Well that's the purpose of this thread I suppose .
I thought it might be interesting to look at how we love .
I have an agape love . Love everyone in a gentle sort of way .
Denner is it really true that you love cookies ? Really ?
Don't you just like them a lot ?
Define love . Well that's the purpose of this thread I suppose .
I thought it might be interesting to look at how we love .
I have an agape love . Love everyone in a gentle sort of way .
Denner is it really true that you love cookies ? Really ?
Don't you just like them a lot ?
Apr 18, 2016
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#36
oh I see what you mean. Loving someone no matter what it costs you.
No that's not unconditional love. Unconditional love is about loving someone no matter what they do. Anyway to love someone doesn't cost anything.
As I typed that I thought I'm really, really not sure that's true. People get in all sorts of trouble because they love.
No though Jen. In fact what you are doing is loving conditonally. You are saying that you only love me unconditionally if you love me no matter what it costs you.
So you are making demands of the other.
To love unconditionally is to say I love you no matter what you do.
Just reading through your post.
Apr 18, 2016
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#37
in answer to your question no. I couldn't stop loving my wife no matter how much she needed me to.
It's more than just unconditonal the love I have, it's eternal. I know that.
Apr 18, 2016
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#38
Jen you are confusing me but I've just seen where you are going wrong. You talk about me loving my wife as setting her a condition. What you are misundertanding though that to love someone doesn't mean that you will behave this way or that.
So for example if you love someone you may leave them because you know in your heart it's what they need, or you might change the world to stay with them because you know they need you too.
Apr 18, 2016
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#39
Jen you are attaching conditions to love. You are saying you only love me if you do this or that.
I guess you could say it's selfish to say I love you but I can't absolutey promise you anything because of that love.
But then isn't it worthwhile just to be loved?
Many of us go through our whole life through without ever being loved.
I do think though that you are making an interesting and valid point. I'll get personal again.
Apr 18, 2016
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#40
I would say I have an agape love for everyone. And yet my father wants to talk to me and I won't . I hear about people caring for the most awful of parents and I think maybe I should. So maybe you are right in that love isn't much use unless it comes with behaviour.
Still I know I'll always be loved too and whether or not I ever talk to that person again actually it means something to me.
Nice sense of humour !