What is your Myers-Briggs personality type?

Ah, if only the Myers-Briggs could explain the love of ad hominem "tactics" in internet "debates." ...  If only I understood that, I'd have no questions left about life itself. :-)

Ad hominem attacks are for the feeble-minded.

(Wait!  Is that an ad hom?!)

Shame on you, Jamie!  ....... uh-oh .......

Elubas and his wingman argue hair-splitting exceptions to the main topic, when someone contests what they say, they assert it's all just a civil chat, and they simple offer up their ideas for general discussion.

Neat trick, don't you think?

All the while they drone on, with endless pinheaded assertions and exceptions, mostly taken from symbolic logic and the so-called method of the natural sciences -- as if that is somehow a privledged postion from which to argue (in the rhetorical sense).

I didn't call you out, @Elubas, for contributing ideas.  I called you out for your overwhelmingly reductionist mindset of connecting "pain" to morality, via IF / THEN syllogisms.

Is that simple enough for you?

Or will you come back with another 2 sentence syllogism, ending in an exclamation point, and followed by another IF/THEN construct?  To wit --

"Ok so you called me out on contributing ideas? I'm not so sure you really like discussion then! If my idea was incorrect, then..."  (direct quote from #171 above).

A "windbag" is both uninformed and pretentious.  Your wear that suit well.  QED.

I will say for a third time that you're putting your own ego into your reading, because I don't consider myself to be in a privileged position. I don't see why I would if all I want to do is just post an idea.

And I don't have a problem with you contesting my points in itself -- in fact I'm glad you brought up a counter point because that's how discussion works. I just wonder why you do so in such an angry manner, as if there is something gratifying about writing one sentence and claiming "I win!" I, on the other hand, am not angry with people when I disagree with an idea they espoused.

The important thing is how one conducts themselves while disagreeing, and it is for this that I am criticizing you. You might say "wow this is just one thing I did," but you've been doing this here for years, so I know it's not just an anomaly.

The field is yours.  We talk past each other.  But damn, you are dense.

We do talk past each other. One way to distinguish us though is our use (or lack thereof) of the ad hominem tactic, something some other members have also observed.

There was once a day and age, in ancient Greece, when the great philosophers and orators were get together, drink wine, and politely debate the topics of the day.  They used logic, reason, cynicism, and deep meaningful discussions.  And when the day was done, they parted as friends, paired up, and had anal sex together.  The Greeks could not bear to leave their friend's behind.

Indeed, the debate between Logic and Rhetoric is 2000 years old, and continues still.

But that sex was probably more about raging hormones, and status.  And it certainly wasn't polite. 

In any case, there is a certain risky feel in using syllogisms/reductionist techinques for things like morality. Even considered, I have some affinity for it. Morality isn't the type of thing you can find in your backyard and grab with your hands, but then again, I'm not sure morality was ever supposed to be that concrete in the first place; who knows where this concept might be hiding.

By my judgment anyway, that above paragraph seemed to have plenty of openness to being wrong. Indeed I consider this kind of post a genuine, civil, discussion post. Might be wrong too , but the previous sentence would still be true :)

I will patiently wait for someone to point out the lack of genuineness, or civility in post #181 :)

You did stick out your tongue, Elubas

Lovely story of ancient Greece, JamieD.  (You might have inserted an unnecessary apostrophe, but it's not worth getting into that now.)  

Naturally, it brought to mind a touching line from that plaintive song about WWI doughboys setting off to defeat the Hun:  

"Sadly he kissed her good-bye / As he left her behind for the Front."

M-i-L, I think it should be apparent by now that I am not an entire serious and stuffy person ;^)

Thank you, JD, for stating that so cogently.  I'm certain this will help to make our future exchanges significantly less liable to be bedeviled by potential misunderstandings, which, as you may know, can sometimes produce escalating acrimonious exchanges.  In fact, I now find myself feeling so bold as to speculate that you, perhaps, have the Very Best Myers-Briggs Temperament Type of All! 

also intj

Probably an ISTP or an ISFP

According to 16personalities you are "The Entertainer"