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Apr 16, 2022

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#241

God always existed, I don`t know the word

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Apr 16, 2022

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#242

Ghost_of_Ninja wrote:

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

Who formed those laws? All creations both visible and invisible in the universe have a creator.

Examples:

Buildings = builder

Book = Author

etc.

So that means there has to be a Creator for the universe

The logical fallacy in your argument then becomes, who created the creator? If the creator is not of this world, then the creator must be an alien life form. If the answer is that the creator has always existed, then your argument that a creator is required is proven false.

I said "all creations", God is not a creation.

llama51

Apr 16, 2022

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#243

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

God always existed, I don`t know the word

It takes fewer assumptions to say "The universe always existed" than it does to say "the hyper-specific version of the anthropomorphic God I happened to be taught is real as a child has always existed"

Isn't it interesting that white people have a white skinned God, black people have a black skinned God... you realize if deer were intelligent enough to make up religion, their God would look like a deer right?

miskit_mistake

Apr 16, 2022

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#244

Ghost_of_Ninja wrote:

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

God always existed, I don`t know the word

Then your argument that everything needs a creator is false.

His argument was inaccurate. Everything well-designed needs an intelligent designer. God is so badly designed, no intelligent designer is necessary. Your argument has been refuted. Convert now

x-7769137329

Apr 16, 2022

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#245

llama51 wrote:

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

If the first species of everything was imperfect then none of them would have survived

That assumes things tend in one direction forever, but for example in real life you have bi-stable processes that fluctuate back and forth between two states without ever going in one direction forever.

More explicitly, you could have something imperfect that oscillates between becoming less and more perfect, without every destroying itself (and without ever becoming perfect).

See, this lack of imagination and knowledge leads you to make nonsense statements like "If the first species of everything was imperfect then none of them would have survived"

If the animals had no organs for example, you think they can survive?!

llama51

Apr 16, 2022

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#246

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

llama51 wrote:

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

If the first species of everything was imperfect then none of them would have survived

That assumes things tend in one direction forever, but for example in real life you have bi-stable processes that fluctuate back and forth between two states without ever going in one direction forever.

More explicitly, you could have something imperfect that oscillates between becoming less and more perfect, without every destroying itself (and without ever becoming perfect).

See, this lack of imagination and knowledge leads you to make nonsense statements like "If the first species of everything was imperfect then none of them would have survived"

If the animals had no organs for example, you think they can survive?!

This is a very old argument creationists use, and it's been disproven over and over.

It's called irreducible complexity. You can read about it if you want.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity

For example, the eye:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity#Eye

miskit_mistake

Apr 16, 2022

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#247

miskit_mistake

Apr 16, 2022

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#248

Most often it's just

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps

x-7769137329

Apr 16, 2022

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#249

llama51 wrote:

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

God always existed, I don`t know the word

It takes fewer assumptions to say "The universe always existed" than it does to say "the hyper-specific version of the anthropomorphic God I happened to be taught is real as a child has always existed"

Isn't it interesting that white people have a white skinned God, black people have a black skinned God... you realize if deer were intelligent enough to make up religion, their God would look like a deer right?

Nobody thinks the universe always existed. God decided to create us. Something without decision making capabilities cannot make decisions. Therefore we would not be created there is way too much meaning to life with so many purposes from everything.

Different perspectives of God... that`s it!

Your last point about the deer was an assumption...

llama51

Apr 16, 2022

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#250

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

Nobody thinks the universe always existed

Hindus do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_cosmology

miskit_mistake

Apr 16, 2022

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#251

llama51 wrote:

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

Nobody thinks the universe always existed

Hindus do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_cosmology

llama51

Apr 16, 2022

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#252

miskit_mistake wrote:

llama51 wrote:

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

Nobody thinks the universe always existed

Hindus do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_cosmology

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x-7769137329

Apr 16, 2022

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#253

llama51 wrote:

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

llama51 wrote:

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

If the first species of everything was imperfect then none of them would have survived

That assumes things tend in one direction forever, but for example in real life you have bi-stable processes that fluctuate back and forth between two states without ever going in one direction forever.

More explicitly, you could have something imperfect that oscillates between becoming less and more perfect, without every destroying itself (and without ever becoming perfect).

See, this lack of imagination and knowledge leads you to make nonsense statements like "If the first species of everything was imperfect then none of them would have survived"

If the animals had no organs for example, you think they can survive?!

This is a very old argument creationists use, and it's been disproven over and over.

It's called irreducible complexity. You can read about it if you want.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity

For example, the eye:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity#Eye

It was not disproven... a mousetrap is not LIFE.

llama51

Apr 16, 2022

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#254

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

llama51 wrote:

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

llama51 wrote:

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

If the first species of everything was imperfect then none of them would have survived

That assumes things tend in one direction forever, but for example in real life you have bi-stable processes that fluctuate back and forth between two states without ever going in one direction forever.

More explicitly, you could have something imperfect that oscillates between becoming less and more perfect, without every destroying itself (and without ever becoming perfect).

See, this lack of imagination and knowledge leads you to make nonsense statements like "If the first species of everything was imperfect then none of them would have survived"

If the animals had no organs for example, you think they can survive?!

This is a very old argument creationists use, and it's been disproven over and over.

It's called irreducible complexity. You can read about it if you want.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity

For example, the eye:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity#Eye

It was not disproven... a mousetrap is not LIFE.

The point is complex organs developed from simpler versions that came about due to random mutations and survived because the new functions were useful.

For example an organ that only detects whether or not light exists is a simpler version of an eye that can see lots of colors and clear images. The simple version is useful, and then a slightly better version is slightly more useful, etc.

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Apr 16, 2022

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#255

Even at its most simple form though, it would have needed to be created for the purpose of living.

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Apr 16, 2022

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#256

It`s late here. Will be back tomorrow.

miskit_mistake

Apr 16, 2022

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#257

llama51 wrote:

miskit_mistake wrote:

llama51 wrote:

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

Nobody thinks the universe always existed

Hindus do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_cosmology

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hope this link works

It's from Sagan's cosmos series. Jump to 34:45 for the start of the original clip

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos:_A_Personal_Voyage

llama51

Apr 16, 2022

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#258

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

Even at its most simple form though, it would have needed to be created for the purpose of living.

That's not how genes work. There's no magic necessary.

miskit_mistake

Apr 16, 2022

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#259

Pray for Sara the Asian African tribal pagan whatever please

miskit_mistake

Apr 16, 2022

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#260

Hinduism 'refuted' by a Christian preacher.

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