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mikekelcey wrote:

When I did my training, I qualified in Youth Work and Ministry. I did an assignment on apologetics and concluded that no smart arguments won anyone over. Love is the best evangelistic method. People who want to argue just want to argue.

be careful to discern arguing with rational points of view, and don't assume that a point of view here that is a direct rebuttal of another is one arguing just to argue. 

as to your point that no smart arguments won anyone over, that is religion. smart people recognize it is belief. others rationalize based on feelings and beliefs, not facts. 

if a "smart argument" does not make another think, they might not be smart.

miskit_mistake

i think (and very rarely do i do this) people change positions but not belief.  one holds a position with current information i.e. current understanding of current data available.  one changes position when new data is available or a new understanding of old data is arrived at.  since belief requires very little of this, it is hard to change.

and sometimes love just ain't enough

TheBestBeer_Root

O contrare Mufrare… This year I absolutely believe before it being over, even through these perilous times, as it’s as well written shall perilously be, which Book in Scriptures, chapter or verse one only needs a  K J V  Concordance and find, all SHALL BE entirely restored, and such the like as what I’ve twice already in this thread posted, shall once again, this GRAND Verse in Isaiah 2:4  K J V ! 👍

 

Isaiah 2:4
 
“And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.”

King James Version (KJV)

….as well

 

 

Isaiah Chapter 51

1 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.

2 Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.

 

Isaiah Chapter 51

12 I, even I, am he that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of the son of man which shall be made as grass;

13 And forgettest the LORD thy maker, that hath stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth; and hast feared continually every day because of the fury of the oppressor, as if he were ready to destroy? and where is the fury of the oppressor?

14 The captive exile hasteneth that he may be loosed, and that he should not die in the pit, nor that his bread should fail.

15 But I am the LORD thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The LORD of hosts is his name.

16 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.

….such Beautiful Verses of declarations!

DrSpudnik

Closing in on a billion views:

tomfinney123

evolution did mean we gained a very handy tool to create things , an opposable thumb , really handy bit of kit that , dont think many other species got that mutation 

TheBestBeer_Root

Again, mudd, that’s the old testament, absolutely representing the false foundations of the deception that brought the mist in Gen. 2:6-9, that Isaiah 2:22 (I only always will be meaning the  K J V) declares to cease from, such conflicting nonsense from a barbaric deceiving horned claimed god, and every bit of the confliction throughout the Holy Scriptures, nothing to do AT ALL with What’s Written In The Very First Chapter Of Genesis, That Which Was Made, Was Made VERY Good, and not a single remotely mentioned garden called eden, NOR the lousy opposing ‘Everything That’s Written In The Very First Chapter Of Genesis’ tree of knowledge of good/evil.

TheBestBeer_Root

A few images

 




miskit_mistake

Idea for a new topic,

why are you beer?

miskit_mistake

The dude in your bottom pic talks about heaven collapsing

TheBestBeer_Root

….’still far from his realization’, then, probably in the mid 20’s, considering his passing was in 43’. I still say this is going to be A Wonderful Year ! happy.png

TheBestBeer_Root

….I’m clearly here to watch the absolute erasing of any collapse of Heaven, rest assured! I’m also looking forward all that’s loose on Earth as well to be loosed in HEAVEN, and were everything loosed on Earth, as well HEAVEN, I find it to be declaring they that presently now are there shall be removed, such loosening, were all loosed IN HEAVEN! And only satan and his minions in  HELL  their fervent abode FOREVER ! ! ! 

TheBestBeer_Root

…..as such a miserable place ONLY BELONGS TO .

…….such is my understanding, study of what’s clearly written shall be.

TheBestBeer_Root

Genesis two is the false foundation that Isaiah clearly declares to cease from in Isaiah 2:22, and as I stated is all the confliction throughout The Holy Scriptures, the eye for an eye ridiculous barbaric behavior that you dang skippy Jesus came to fulfill the law to be made Honorable as it is written! Were we presently there, then Isaiah 2:4 would already have been fulfilled, but that’s what I believe this yr is to come. 
Your saying Jesus as Lord is correct, because his Father, who’s greater than he gave him the name, I believe in Psalms. I do not have a Concordance, but you do, and you’ll find that God gave him the title, yet King OF Kings, who sits IN THE THRONE and not on His right side as His Son, IS LORD, whom, in John 1:18 it declares no man hath ever seen, while Jesus was seen certainly for 33 yrs as written before his ascension.

TheBestBeer_Root

…I’m speaking logically, and not barbarically 

miskit_mistake

The dude in your first pic was not much of a believer either

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#On_religion

TheBestBeer_Root

None of Tesla's friends knew when this encounter with Vedic knowledge took place. Once when asked if he believed in God and to which religion does he belong, he answered: "In my heart I am deeply religious, though not in the orthodox sense of that word.
Born: 10 July 1856, Smiljan - Croatia
Professions: scientists, inventor
Died: 7 January 1943, Hotel New Yorker

TheBestBeer_Root

I have no reason to view him against Gods Love, yet can say he expressed more of a spiritual side than most, as well was very ahead of his time.

miskit_mistake

In that same para he says

"To me, the universe is simply a great machine which never came into being and never will end" and "what we call 'soul' or 'spirit,' is nothing more than the sum of the functionings of the body. When this functioning ceases, the 'soul' or the 'spirit' ceases likewise."

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AlCzervik wrote:
MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:

i'd also like to say it is extremely arrogant to assume your religion is the correct one.

what if i really did believe in scientology? 

oh, yeah, that's the crazy one. 

You still have no explanation about how the first species of everything survived

was i required to do so? no. me saying that religion is bullsh*t does not mean i must provide an ample rebuttal to how we all came to be. 

Yes it does, it`s called "justification".

miskit_mistake
MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:
MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:

i'd also like to say it is extremely arrogant to assume your religion is the correct one.

what if i really did believe in scientology? 

oh, yeah, that's the crazy one. 

You still have no explanation about how the first species of everything survived

was i required to do so? no. me saying that religion is bullsh*t does not mean i must provide an ample rebuttal to how we all came to be. 

Yes it does, it`s called "justification".

No it's not. Saying you don't know something is much better than saying I know it's God.  You wouldn't have modern medicine and technology today if we stopped at that as an explanation for everything.  I thought we already covered this.

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