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MyCowsCanFly

Jun 5, 2010

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#21

FlowerFlowers wrote:

Mycows ... sure the queen is an amazing warrior but the king is the mastermind (many a genius lack physical prowess), the boss, everyone serves him and the enemy wants to replace him. The other pieces can be admired for their ability in battle, but the king is desired. A good question is would you rather be desired or admired.

Mana .. I know you said you relate the pieces to real life but I'm still thinking of them as toys.. dolls .. a pretend kingdom.

You almost convinced me.

However, disregarding political correctness, the most powerful piece on the board should be called King. This piece's main job is protecting the "stay at home" piece.

By the by, this whole discussion is silly.

manavendra

Jun 5, 2010

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#22

FlowerFlowers wrote:

Mana .. I know you said you relate the pieces to real life but I'm still thinking of them as toys.. dolls .. a pretend kingdom.

You may relate to the pieces as toys, dolls, Alice in Wonderland, etc. but the main idea is on your relationships with your toys, dolls, in your (pretended) kingdom during the Chess game. How does such relationships affect your game, or I must ask how does such relationships affect your decision to make the next move?

If you say, your relationships are imaginery, changing from game to game, and considering that every possible game that your play on a 8x8 board has finite number of possibilities, perhaps a good relationship on all levels among all Chess pieces will very greatly help you make the best move.

Maybe, use of Mathematical induction might be useful to understand this model of Chess and Life relations.

trysts

Jun 5, 2010

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#23

Maybe, use of Mathematical induction might be useful to understand this model of Chess and Life relations.

Maybe using acid induction might be useful.

manavendra

Jun 5, 2010

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#24

trysts wrote:

Maybe, use of Mathematical induction might be useful to understand this model of Chess and Life relations.

Maybe using acid induction might be useful.

You seem to be a fan of GEB

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del,_Escher,_Bach

MyCowsCanFly

Jun 5, 2010

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#25

FlowerFlowers wrote:

lol ... drunken knights

Glad you noticed. I cracked myself up too.

FlowerFlowers

Jun 5, 2010

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#26

Mycows .. ahem. no comment.

Mana ..well what I meant is that I stopped playing with dolls and creating fantasy kingdoms after childhood, but I was trying to find a way to have fun with your post.

I'd like to consider myself a logical adult. When I am playing chess I do not sacrifice certaiin pieces because they remind me of an actual figure in my life. That would be a waste of time if my goal is to win. Maybe that is how you play and I am not going to judge you ok. Realizing how serious you are amuses me so who am I to say stop... I like the fact that you are being creative and sharing your spin on the game!

trysts

Jun 5, 2010

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#27

Actually I'm a fan of GHB. But this kind of sounds like your cup of tea:

"Through illustration and analysis, the book discusses how self-reference and formal rules allow systems to acquire meaning despite being made of "meaningless" elements."

Hmmm... I believe your original post was influenced

manavendra

Jun 5, 2010

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#28

trysts wrote:

Actually I'm a fan of GHB. But this kind of sounds like your cup of tea:

"Through illustration and analysis, the book discusses how self-reference and formal rules allow systems to acquire meaning despite being made of "meaningless" elements."

Hmmm... I believe your original post was influenced

"In response to confusion over the book's theme, Hofstadter has emphasized that GEB is not about mathematics, art, and music but rather about how cognition and thinking emerge from well-hidden neurological mechanisms. In the book, he presents an analogy about how the individual neurons of the brain coordinate to create a unified sense of a coherent mind by comparing it to the social organization displayed in a colony of ants."

Same here, we are trying to create a unified sense of Chess and Life Relations.

MyCowsCanFly

Jun 5, 2010

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#29

I don't think I'm doing you a service by induging your delusions. Good luck.

-X-

Jun 5, 2010

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#30

manavendra ,GEB may be about all kinds of abstract connections between mathematics, art, music, and chess pieces & people, but GHB is something that facilitates making these wild and wonderful abstractions.

Here is some info and a link.

http://www.projectghb.org/what_is_ghb.htm

What is GHB?

GHB is predominantly a central nervous system depressant.

What are the street names/slang terms for GHB?

G, Georgia Home Boy, Grievous Bodily Harm, Liquid Ecstasy.

What are its long-term effects?

As the dose increases, the sedative effects may result in sleep and eventual coma or death. Other effects include difficulty thinking, hallucinations, slurred speech, headaches and amnesia. GHB has reportedly been used in cases of date rape. Because GHB is odorless and tasteless, it can be slipped into someone's drink without detection.

trysts

Jun 5, 2010

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#31

"As the dose increases, the sedative effects may result in sleep and eventual coma or death. Other effects include difficulty thinking, hallucinations, slurred speech, headaches and amnesia."

We're talking about GHB, not oxygen...

-X-

Jun 5, 2010

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#32

trysts wrote:

"As the dose increases, the sedative effects may result in sleep and eventual coma or death. Other effects include difficulty thinking, hallucinations, slurred speech, headaches and amnesia."

We're talking about GHB, not oxygen...

Do you like this better?

What are its short-term effects?

At lower doses, GHB can relieve anxiety and produce relaxation.

trysts

Jun 5, 2010

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#33

RDR75 wrote:

trysts wrote:

"As the dose increases, the sedative effects may result in sleep and eventual coma or death. Other effects include difficulty thinking, hallucinations, slurred speech, headaches and amnesia."

We're talking about GHB, not oxygen...

Do you like this better?

What are its short-term effects?

At lower doses, GHB can relieve anxiety and produce relaxation.

Yes, thank you, RDR75

jerry2468

Jun 5, 2010

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#34

Bishops are useless they're depressed. You see them frown.

fgm351

Jun 5, 2010

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#35

manavendra wrote:

I learn't playing Chess when I was 8, but i played only for short span, with intermittant gaps of many years. Only recently, I have become a Chessholic. I mean Chess and Life, intermixed so beautifully by interpolating the Chess rules, strategies, tacts, positions, ranks, files, etc.

I have come up with one, would be interesting theory. Life is made of people, same as Chess is made of Chessmen. Like in Life relationships between different people, same are relationships between Chessmen on the Chess Board. Now, if you were to pick any "one" Chessman, which piece would you choose. I know, this question maybe debatable, but I strongly vote that most of us would choose the "King".

Taking the popular assumption of the "King" being the chosen piece in all further interpolations of the Chess relationships, how is the King related to the other Chessmen? Lets, also take the common man in Life, he is a father, a brother, a friend, a family man, a team player, etc., almost exponentially large number of relationships. Taking all the strongest relationships, I want to discuss the following Chess and Life relations.

Okay, now as a King, what is your relationship with your Queen, extrapolating from both Chess and Life, she can be your wife, or maybe your girlfriend? What about the rook, lets take him as your big bother, and the Bishop as your younger brother, including friends. Also, taking into account, the distribution of men and women in Life, I further extrapolate to take Kinght as your sister, under the rule of Chess Board being divided into two equal halves, King's Side and Queen's side. So, same relations also exist on the Queen's side viz, queen side's rook and bishop being her elder and younger brother respectively, and queen side knight being her sister.

All these being taken into account, lets interpolate the sacrificial nature of Chess and Life. Would you sacrifice your Queen if she is your wife or girlfriend, depending on how you interpolate? How would you relate to Rook, would you give him a opportunity to castle? How would you relate to Kinght, protecting her or maybe strategic relationship, oftens requires good team play, as is in most of the cases.

Most of the top-rated players play very protective and closely-guarded games most of the time, piece for piece, well balanced manner. Why is that early level sacrifice of any piece or any Life's relation is considered a risky choice? How can we quantify the King's decision to gambit or not?

I would further add the pawns, a very important piece in Chess, and we all know who are they?

Children

A pawn can be promoted to any rank of his Choice!!

Such a theory might seem non-existant for there are very large extrapolations taken, but these will provide vital statistics for the improvement of Artificial Intelligence, SETI, and many other projects in progress, about understanding the Nature of Life, the source of (Artificial) Intelligence!!

Very correct indeed.

-X-

Jun 5, 2010

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#36

fgm wrote:

Very correct indeed.

Are you sure?

msoewulff

Jun 5, 2010

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#37

*gasp* you sunk my battleship

manavendra

Jun 5, 2010

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#38

trysts wrote:

RDR75 wrote:

trysts wrote:

"As the dose increases, the sedative effects may result in sleep and eventual coma or death. Other effects include difficulty thinking, hallucinations, slurred speech, headaches and amnesia."

We're talking about GHB, not oxygen...

Do you like this better?

What are its short-term effects?

At lower doses, GHB can relieve anxiety and produce relaxation.

Yes, thank you, RDR75

Well, I can see how GHB act like a catalyst, to speed up your process of forming relationships in a Bell-Jar. To see how such relationships can go wrong, consider Queen as your wife, and Queen's pawn as your daughter, in a Queen's Gambit chess line. The metaphorical interpersonal conversation between pawn and queen before moving the pawn under influence of GHB:

Child: Mommy, do you love me ?

Mother: What is love ?

You can now see, how both pawn and queen are at a spatialy different relationship, and you can predict the effect of such relationship on the ongoing Chess game. I once read the following sign on the busy cross-road leading to a store selling GHB:

"He saw, She didn't. He is, She isn't".

manavendra

Jun 6, 2010

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#39

jerry2468 wrote:

Bishops are useless they're depressed. You see them frown.

Bishops are not always depressed, it depends on your style. Perhaps, give a thought about "The Eternal Appeal Of The Urusov Gambit".

thejackbauer

Jun 6, 2010

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#40

Very interesting. I like the ideas of sacrificing your pieces. But I really do hope that pawns aren't children. They get killed and sacrificed all the time! Also if a player sacrifices a lot of pieces in general, does that tell us that he is a very selfish sacrificial person?!

I for one play the Halloween's Gambit from time to time. I guess I do not have that much concern about my sister. o.O. If I had one, maybe that's why I don't have one...