Abandonment Rules Are Bad Because There Should Be a Harsher Penalty

Too many people just abandon cuz they're too chicken sh*t to resign. If your IC is that bad then either get a better internet provider or accept you'll lose points the same as if you resigned. You can't have it both ways. Sore losers know it doesn't count as a resignation nor do you lose as many points so they abuse it. I've literally had 4 resignations in a span of 1 hour. It wastes honest people's time. 

abandonments have the same elo cost as a resignation though? Also think of it differently, you just get longer to admire your good position

Not from what I noticed. Also when I looked up the rules it doesn't count as a resignation and not on your history. One time it literally spent a solid 10 mins to abandon. That happened once but it was so ridiculous. Coupled with all the ones who cheat, it's almost not worth playing people. Other times it's usually a few minutes but when it happens 3 times in a row it might as well be 10 minutes straight. It's exhausting. Just resign!

Losses give the same rating (with respect to the opponent's and your rating of course) whether it's a loss on time, loss by checkmate, resignation, or abandonment. They all yield the same. An abandonment doesn't count as a resignation but that doesn't matter. It's still a loss for them and gives you the same rating as if they resigned. Abandonments are determined by what part of the game you're in. Before the game starts, your opponent has 10 seconds to make a move in bullet, 15 seconds in blitz, and 55 seconds in rapid. Depending on how many warnings someone has for aborting or not playing moves in games they queued, the game will be aborted or abandoned if they don't move in that allotted time.

Disconnection time's after the first move have been played follow this formula: "(B + 40i) x 0.1" where B=base time and i=increment. In other words, 10% of the base time plus 40 times the increment, with a minimum of 30 seconds and a maximum of 3 minutes to reconnect.

So for example Rapid 10 | 0 -- The base time is 10 minutes (600 seconds) plus no increment, times 10% is 60 seconds to reconnect. Also worth noting is if a player disconnects in a completely lost position (say. -5 or worse), the game will be considered abandoned after just 15 seconds, regardless of the time control.

Lastly, a game can also be ruled as abandoned if you disconnect for too long. This rule applies only during the first 10 moves of the game. If you use more than 50% of the main time on one move before reaching 10 moves, the game will be considered abandoned. After the 10th move, you can take as much time as you need for each move. So for example, (this may apply to your situation) your opponent played the first 20 moves instantly and then got into a lost position and stopped playing but did not disconnect. It's less likely for someone to sit with their tab open than just close it and leave where it will auto disconnect and abandon shortly after. These instances are more likely at the lower rating since people don't care about their ratings that much and often leave during games. Cheaters and stallers are far fewer than legit players, I wouldn't rack your head on it too much.

I'm not racking anything. It's pretty straightforward to understand. People are just being sore losers. Instead of just resigning they either disconnect and have you wait for 3 mins or they just leave you hanging for however long. I play 30 mins so if your math is correct, the wait time is 3 mins. So imagine waiting 3 mins 3 games in a row. Demotivating and abusive.

Aborting is irrelevant. The game hasn't even started and it ends right away. I don't know why aborting would get a warning but leaving the person hanging for 20 mins doesn't??? I checked the points after a few more abandonments and you do lose the same points so at least that. I didn't know players can even get minus points. I just noticed I would have plus points. It's only been about a month since I've started and I would say more than half of my games have had stallers, quitters or cheaters. I've had a few rate adjustments because cheating was suspected. So your supposition that they are fewer than legit players is incorrect. The lower rated players are usually new players. They in particular need to be shown the right etiquette. Abandoning cuz you can't handle losing isn't it.

I was just proving an alternative perspective to the situation, that's all. As for aborting and abandoning, both will restrict your account after a certain amount of offenses. Best thing you can do is just report the person for stalling and try not to let it affect you. Unfortunately stalling is part of the game even over the board, though of course disrespectful. At the end of the day, it's not a cardinal sin, some people don't mean it in a disrespectful manner, they just might not care about the game, or had something to do or any other number of reasons.

I sympathize with stallers/quitters/cheaters but they don't make up 50% of the games, even though it may feel like it. Unfortunately stallers/quitters are going to be very prevalent at your elo range since most people just queue for a game and don't care about the results so they'll leave very often. I might suggest playing 15|10 or 10|2 instead until an elo of maybe 1000 to avoid the nuisance. Of course you shouldn't have to make that change because of other people but unfortunately that's just the dilemma you face online. As for cheaters, you've only faced 2 cheaters (that have been banned). It get's much worse from here if you think that's already a lot. I've been refunded rating points for nearly every day of the week at some point (I could post a screenshot, not pretty). Point is that at your rating, cheating is almost nonexistent. In your time control however it is definitely a breeding ground for the possibility of cheating. My advice would be to play slightly quicker and more reputable time control and vet your opponent's (check their account creation/win rate) before playing them so you have a higher chance of versing a person and one that won't stall. Hope that helps.

Yes. And I addressed your alternative perspective which you are replying to . The problem is it does affect me. I DO care. And if you're playing with other people you should too. Unless you are seriously intellectually deprived it's a pretty basic thing to know you don't leave people hanging for 20 mins! There's a real obvious button that says resign. If what you suppose is true, that they don't care or are doing other things, DON'T PLAY with PEOPLE then! There are bots for that. Why have rules at all then if you don't care? It wouldn't happen in real life. Why allow it here? 
I like 30 mins. I tried 10 mins before and didn't like it. As you acknowledged, I shouldn't have to change because of quitters or cheaters.

Look, you're obviously able to see my activities so you should know that more than half of them didn't follow the fairplay rules. I'm not reporting all of them because I am trying to be more understanding but it doesn't deny the fact that there's more of them than not. I don't care if you think that's not the case for this site in general. Maybe when I'm at 1000 I will see a change but this is where I'm at and this is what I have to deal with which is not fair. 
BTW, pride is a cardinal sin and so is sloth.

Oh? But doesn't the same rule apply to me? Don't I forfeit the game and lose points?

So, open a new tab and play a new game? Hm. That's a good solution.

I understand it does affect you. I'm saying you're going to have a rough time in chess if you're already letting something small like a game abandonment ruin your mood. Of course people shouldn't leave you hanging, nobody is disputing that. You saying it's wrong is like saying water is wet. Everyone knows that, but you're asking for a harsh punishment for 3 minutes of your time at most wasted. It can and does also happen in real life but is less common, since people who play OTB are invested in the game's outcome. I'm sure people who queue want to improve their rating too, it's just not the highest priority on their mind and again, things happen, whether warranted or unwarranted.

You shouldn't have to, but life is unfair. I understand 10 min may not be your cup of tea but I suggested it as a temporary change of switching to 10 min so you could up your rating quicker and get out of the staller predominant elo and then switch back to 30 min later on.

I looked at your games and deduced that you've over exaggerated your claims severely. You don't verse a majority of people violating fair play. I'm sorry but that is absurd. You versed 2 cheaters and a fair bit of stallers/quitters (34) and I'll say a generous 4 lost on time where you waited a minute or two. You've played 207 games so that's about 18% where your opponent has violated fair play (both cheating and stalling). Again, that number is definitely on the higher end because of your time control and rating. If I were to play devils advocate, you also abandoned at least 8 games. Just putting that out there. Also I was using cardinal sin in the colloquial sense.

Unfortunately the overarching point is that nothing is going to change. People will stall and people will cheat. All you can do is make it lower the possibility by upping your rating and lowering your time control and do your best to not let it affect you or else your time playing chess will be miserable. I saw you started playing 15|10 so I hope that helps you out. As the other commenter mentioned, you could queue another game at the same time (since you're a chess.com diamond member). I don't really recommend it because the player could come back at any time and you'll have yourself stuck in 2 games at once. But if you feel like the position is completely winning and you could win with your eyes closed then go for it and worst case the guy comes back and you finish a simple game. But overall its best to focus on one game at a time, also builds good habits.

Penalties dont matter while opening new accounts is a piece of cake

Wow. Are you for real?! Who TF are you to say how my mood should be or how I should be affected? Like who do you think you are? You're just some dude who plays a lot of chess and peeks into our activities. Can you read minds too, buddy? How would you know if someone who quits or stalls all the time wants to be a good boy but has things to do? Why are you trying so hard to minimize this? You're making tired excuses by pretending leaving people hanging for several mins in a row is a small thing and purposely downplaying time abuses as if you're trying to convince me water isn't wet? Are you getting kickbacks or something? Is that it? Are you getting paid? Or is it because you do it all the time and you're trying to dodge any accountability? Or both. Cuz that's what you sound like.

You purposely omit serious fairplay abuses. It's not just 3 minutes of my time as you misrepresent the facts. It's 3 minutes several times each game day for over a month. It's also waiting over 20 mins a number of times when once is enough to make you want to quit. For people who have a life outside of chess waiting 20 minutes for someone is a big deal in any situation. In what reality do you imagine this happening in OTB chess? You're reaching. As I've originally stated, YES, harsher punishment for selfishly wasting someone's time is 100% warranted!!!

Unlike you I am not trying to read people's minds and make excuses for them, I judge what I see.

First, I've only waited a minute or 2 in a few games for ONE day. Why? Cuz I just started playing 15|10 YESTERDAY. The rest of the time I was playing Rapid 30. It was NEVER a minute or two when they abandoned and disconnected at a losing position. It was a minimum 3 mins each time and happened several times in a day. And as you know but conveniently forgot, a few times I waited 20 mins or more in over a month's time when I've played almost everyday. Check that!

Secondly, nice try. You again conveniently left out the main fairplay abuse and funnily enough the main topic: quitters. With them that makes up more than 18% Andrew. So, who's exaggerating claims now?

Have you heard? According to Andrew, abandoning is not a big deal. I started doing it after our last exchange because I've got things to do, I care about my rating, I'm invested in the game...Funny how that works.

If it's not going to change why do you keep commenting? The other commenter gave me a solution. Done. He didn't seem to have any deep insights into my mood or what angels cheaters are.

Right?

Colour me surprised. Sucks don't it?

Wow. There's so much you've misconstrued that I'm not sure it's worth continuing. All I tried to do was present the facts to the best of my ability and offer all perspectives. Was just trying to help. My apologies.

Dude, you were saying some inflammatory stuff and ignoring things I said. I had to repeat the same thing several times over. After a certain point, it was clear you were following your own narrative. You were making a lot of excuses for incredibly unsportsmanlike behaviour, then you started telling me how I should feel and what I need to do. I accept your apology but don't try to erase that. There are ways to give different perspectives without pushing your own and telling the other person they're wrong for feeling the way they do.

BTW, I just did my insights. I'm sure you'll check it out Just for abandonments not including stalling or cheating, I get it 30% of the time. Whereas others in my elo range have it 13% of the time. And that was a few days ago. So, I am getting it A LOT.

Also, you should know that the information you gave me in the first reply or second reply was helpful. Things started to make sense. Ciao.

It doesn't work.

Tried opening a new tab and play a new game but the old one would show up.