All The Reasons We Hate V3!

sorry... i was being sarcastic... i should've indicated that...

lol... now i got it...

Haha, very good 

#4 & #5 .. 👍👍

Yes.  All this... maybe not the profaneness, but everything else encapsulates the lowly 2% of this site's users' experiences with v3.

For someone that doesn't understand analyzing a game, there will certainly be some unfamiliar things. If someone is, especially in standalone programs, nothing there is that hard to understand. For those that are interested, they can look for explanation or ask: https://support.chess.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1444868-computer-analysis-how-do-i-get-my-games-analyzed- -- actually, that link would probably be nice to have on the analysis screen, like they do for CAPS

1 & 2 is a standard score graph to show the engine evaluation for the game. You can use your cursor to get the actual evaluation on each part of the graph. Standard fare for analysis programs.

3. The colors correspond to the colors for the move strengths as given in the analysis legend:

4. As you move through the game, that FEN string changes. It represents the current position being looked at. Probably could be a label there to clarify but it isn't terribly hard to figure it out. Maybe a ? option to explain it for people that don't know what it is.

5. Every one of those have tool tips (I know, language is better and they should have 6 lines of text links or textual buttons, available in every language, under the game navigation buttons )

Got a chuckle from me

My gawd, there must be a video for this..!

a.) & b.) Never needed that for v2's analysis report.  It was clear, concise, and so easily understood, a lengthy explanation or YouTube video was never needed.

c.) I had no idea the color coordination meant ...☝☝ that.  Wow.

d.) Unless that's explained somewhere, the lay user will not know to what the FEN string refers to.  Like the color coordination with the fonts.

e.) Tool tips cover color coordination??

f.) ....what is CAPS ?  ... like a Caps-Lock on my computer keyboard?

Chess Answers Prior to Sonic-boom?

This is the whole point of the collassal failure that is the v3 User Interface, Martin.  Nobuddy understands it.

When you're working with a customer base that tends to pride itself on chess-prowess---for spending hours upon hours perusing books, studying theory, and so on (your self-starters, self-reliant types)---and you go make their heads spin with a mysterious new user interface that makes no sense to them... you've just alienated your entire customer base.

Business 101 Failure. 

That is 100% on the Dev Team, Martin, and those who approved it.  v2 never should have been canceled.  v3 code and all those who conspired to write it should have been put in the dumpster.

• The performance is awful.
• The user experience is not good at all.  Maybe some Millennials can figure it out, but for the rest of us, telling us to go watch a 12-part series of 25-minute YouTube videos is a disaster of Titanic-proportions.
• The end result of v3 is a downgrade of what was offered in v2.  Maybe Ad-revenue is up.  Great.  So proud.

Every STAFFer here needs to go back and re-read Pike's original assessment of v3. ...posted over a year ago now.

I wondered what those symbols meant!  Thanks!

I'm not a millennial and I figured it out just fine (I am technical but that isn't the same thing ).

I'm not going to claim it is super easy for everyone. I'm also not going to claim it is the best it can be, that it doesn't have some issues. But, in my experience, v3 hasn't been bad and is extremely usable. Early on, not so much, but I have been using it over 2 years almost exclusively (as I have said before and I only get on v2 to answer questions I don't remember the answer for and for one script that hasn't been ported to v3 yet).

I use the website across 3 different computers (well 4 but one was recently replaced) and my phone. It was actually faster on my phone before the Vue switch started but once I get the initial session started, things usually move quickly. The thing is, it works and works well, on most everything I have tested or use consistently. Sure, I get some bugs still, but for the most part, nothing site breaking (the v3 forum bug is the worst I've ran across in a long time).

I know I've said this before, but I'm pretty sure that erik worked on the design, in conjunction with the developers and he wasn't sold the idea by some MBA. They also haven't alienated the whole customer base. There are a lot of people that like it (including non-staff and non-moderators ) and from what erik has mentioned in the past, all back-end metrics show improvements since v3 has become the default.

You can take that latter part however you like. If you think it is just ad-revenue, nothing anyone can say will persuade you anyway. Once v2 is gone maybe you'll be right and the site will start dying due to that. Until that happens, I guess we'll never know, for sure.

The part under the score graph is essentially a legend. Like on a map. Guides you to the meaning of the analysis that follows. It really isn't that hard to figure out. I never said tool tips over the move colors but over the buttons

CAPS has a ? help option, in case you want to know what it actually is. There isn't room to spell every.little.single.thing out. Same goes with FEN for that. Many players have no idea what  FEN is but the site provides it for those members that do know and it can be useful to have.

It is analysis software. They have added features to it that is very similar to other analysis software. As to your claim that v2 doesn't have the problem of people understanding it, then you obviously don't read the forums very much.  I can probably find 10 topics very quickly that predate v3 with questions about what the analysis is and what the results mean and how to understand them. Those 10 would just be the tip of the iceberg.

A lot of new members don't understand why they can't castle through check, that a pinned piece can still deliver check and attack squares, what en passant is. You can't be surprised that people will run across things they don't understand when it gets into more esoteric things you can do with chess. Put a newbie in front of Chessbase or SCID and you will encounter the exact same stuff. Doesn't matter how well designed it is, there is a language and syntax involved with chess and with analysis, that will have to be explained to some subset.  Same goes for pretty much any software for that matter.

Does anyone know how to cancel an open challenge? On v2 there was a cancel button. The other day I put up a challenge, the phone rang and I couldn't cancel the challenge. So, I got a response and just let the game abort.  Plus, when I go to the help or contact support I never get a reply. Maybe its just me, don't know.

+1 

The original V3 was horrific; now it's all I use, and it's quite good. It still has a few quirks, but everything I used in v2 I have in v3. 

I agree that additional complexity is not necessarily an improvement. I also agree that many programmers seem to view complexity as inherently better, when it's not. 

I also agree that v3 is far from perfect. 

But, I agree with Martin that the new analysis board is far better than v2 despite its complexity! It's easy to learn. The key improvements to the analysis board are that we can now save our analysis, and we can reorganize lines without losing all the work we put in. Those are not minor.

Using symbols as opposed to words is a stylistic choice that is neither better nor worse than the opposite. 

You should see the challenge on your home page, assuming you mean Daily chess. It also exists under www.chess.com/daily or Play > Daily Chess

edit: rereading, I think you meant Live. Use the Flag icon , it is an abort if no moves have been played and you're not flagged under the fair play policy

No, I meant Live Chess.

I just reread and edited my post

Thanks Martin.