All The Reasons We Hate V3!

Messages display fine in V3, except they have no subject line and no ability to quote. Apparently they were designed for one conversation at a time. I don't like this, either. There are plenty of message interfaces that can group the topics into meaningful conversation - better than either V2 or V3.

PS: I am sending this via V2 message to you directly as well.

I have to backpedal on that one.

No, they don't.

I submitted a bug report on that. I could swear they used to look OK...

Before I clicked Send, the message looked like the one on the bottom. After it got sent, the quoted text got weird background...

was this something you copy/pasted?

copy/paste in v3 usually leaves the pasted material skewed in one way or another...

Yeah, copied the content of the forum message editor (post #1152) into personal message editor (and changed the last paragraph). It might have involved copying from V2 forum to V3 message, but this should not matter -- it is trivial HTML that should've transferred OK.

copying from v3 to v3 is terrible... i told @Erik about it around a year ago...

@Martin - seriously, honestly, did you know straight off that the color-coding of the fonts in the analysis window correlated to the colors of the move gauge???

How many YouTube videos were needed to explain how to use v2?

I think the count for v3 is over 20..

This thread is still going because STAFF continue to sequester and silence other forums we used to vent our frustrations in.  This is one of the few that remain open.

No idea when young Tyler will be sent in to Lock this one.

• https://www.chess.com/forum/view/suggestions/express-if-you-like-or-do-not-like-the-new-version-of-the-site  ⇐ this one contained over 5,000 posts; mostly of discontent with the site.
  
  
• https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/get-this-site-back-to-normal-or-i-am-out-of-here
• https://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/v3-a-sign-of-progress-or-imminent-disaster

The last two are other forum threads still open as well about grief with using the new system.  There are other blogs and private message streams where others gripe and moan about v3 as well. 

... All within the bounds of the 2% of malcontents here.

суки они и в лагере суки...что можно добавить эти хамам что создаали  такой сайт.

• Here, I know this is large, but I need to show the difference between what v2 does and v3 -- the bottom of the screen, you will see the transfer sizes as well.  v3 is transferring ~5x more data and javascript functions per page than v2.

  It has been documented before, but here it is once more:

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• Some are going to say, "yeah, ... but you don't need to wait for all the Ads to load up before one can use a page."
  

  To which I would respond by saying that:

  1. This is totally unnecessary as an End User experience; how greedy has chess.com become in switching to a new Ad-loader that innundates End User's bandwidth with ~20MB of Ad content per page?!?!  v3 sucks.  Sucks bandwidth, majorly.  By comparison, I checked my FB Home page:  only 34 js requests, ~770KB total transferred, Finished in just under 3 minutes.  Loaded the DOM in ~7 seconds.
     
     
  2. Even without the Ad-content, its patently obvious that v3 still downloads ~5x - 6x more javascript functions per page before the Ad content even begins to ... work its magic.
     
     
  3. As a result of all the added content and javascript coming across the wire, is it really any wonder why or how End Users suffer excessive lag or game freezes?
     
     

  It's not rocket science to understand that this structure of code is not well suited to live game play or even for pleasant End User episode.  This is just poor UI design.

Yeah, took about two seconds to realize what that the legend corresponded to the moves.

As to videos on v2? Don't know. I know they had them though.

You are far more MENSA material than I.

Here is the load of my home page on v3:

Give me a bit and I can get a screenshot of a basic one too. And it was only 12 seconds because I waited for the game api (game notification checks I believe) to fire twice.

My dear Martin, Sir.  You need to sit and be patient.  You cannot possibly have only loaded ~3MB of material on the Home Page.  I know you want to make the host look good and all, but there's no way that is an honest representation of what's going on.

I quit waiting after ~27MB of material on my Home Page.  Here's a snippet from my v3 Home Page loads (after ~18MB of downloaded junk):

v3 will continue to download crap, endlessly.  The Ad-machine on v3 is relentless.  v3 is a huge $$ grab by the Dev Team, and an insulting one.

Yes, I've seen it download 50+ MB in 10 minutes and going for more...

I've reported this a while ago, along with easy way for the developers to reproduce the problem: see the Runaway download on chess.com main page thread (if this is visible only in the Chess.com Beta club, and you don't want to join it, leave me a note, and I will re-post the relevant stuff in here). Someone from the development team confirmed that the issue is reproducible.

Erik responded twice to my findings:

and

That last response was 10 days ago. I guess that it has not been resolved yet.

The ad volume in my experiments was caused primarily by accepting third-party cookies (which seems to be an unfortunate default in most browsers, except Brave).

I did it twice more and it was 3-something MB the first time and 2.71 MB the next time. And yes, it continue to do GETs. The file is games, and is a call to api.chess.com. Looks like a notification call to me. So I absolutely loaded that amount of data.

I was able to get a basic test done too. It only loaded 4.07 MB, DOM loaded in 922 ms, load 2.02 s. Yeah, there are continued calls to the same game api and of course the ad network calls. So of course the size will eventually increase.

I see if I can't try again later on a different network to see if that changes anything (which it likely will some, though I don't know by how much).

Had a few spare minutes, jumped on a different network.

Not much worse. 5 MB of data. Similar load times. Same GETs after the full load that are related to the API (or in the case of ad networks, those calls).

I will say, I'm on Firefox Developer's edition, so it may have some defaults that improve things. I will test again tonight on my other machine and see what I get there, though I use the same browser on it too.

... thank you, LPS.  No, I cannot join the Beta group.  I get kicked out automatically as soon as I revert back to v2.

Interesting; I recall someone told us we needed to accept 3rd party cookies for v3 to work/function properly.

Nope---no joy. 

3rd Party cookies disabled and it still floods my browser with garbage.

v3 sucks.  Sucks bandwidth.

And the trophies are horrendously ugly!