The devolpers of v3 are employees of Chess.com and erik is heavily involved in the process (and has posted here too).
Have the developers suggested that's cheaters have been vanquished in the manner described by the previous poster? If so, they may want to investigate the matter more fully, because so far I have noticed no difference in the amount of cheating though cheaters have become more skilled in their chosen art.
I.e., not taking our sincere responses seriously..
So, why should we bother, Martin?
I'm pretty sure Ronald was being sarcastic.
I would characterize his post as inaccurate. But be that as it may, I just wanted to confirm that V3 has done nothing to address the runway cheating on Chess.com which makes the whole site pretty much moot unless one is playing with known and trusted friends, which can be done on any chess site.
Given this, then other than generosity, why would anyone subscribe to V3 chess if they haven't yet decided to subscribe? Because they are generous?
I'm pretty sure Ronald was being sarcastic.
I would characterize his post as inaccurate. But be that as it may, I just wanted to confirm that V3 has done nothing to address the runway cheating on Chess.com which makes the whole site pretty much moot unless one is playing with known and trusted friends, which can be done on any chess site.
Given this, then other than generosity, why would anyone subscribe to V3 chess if they haven't yet decided to subscribe? Because they are generous?
15,000,000+ members will ensure some "bad seeds"
You always have the option of reporting people.
I'm pretty sure Ronald was being sarcastic.
I would characterize his post as inaccurate. But be that as it may, I just wanted to confirm that V3 has done nothing to address the runway cheating on Chess.com which makes the whole site pretty much moot unless one is playing with known and trusted friends, which can be done on any chess site.
Given this, then other than generosity, why would anyone subscribe to V3 chess if they haven't yet decided to subscribe? Because they are generous?
15,000,000+ members will ensure some "bad seeds"
You always have the option of reporting people.
Whatever the real active membership number may be, my experience is that cheating (being define as some use of expert, book, or computer assistance) is far greater than just some. It is much more than enough for me to consider play on Chess.com as being comparable to playing against a highly rated computer program, something that I can do for free. There are many manifestations of this behavior but it is very real.
Given this, it is extremely difficult for me to come up with a reason that I or anyone else would become a subscriber. It is quite possible that Chess.com has decided to move toward an ad supported site (something I would fully concur with) where clicks are more important than quality, which in turn would fully explain V3. Other than that, all money received from subscribers would be considered charitable donations.
I am afraid that everything that you said was fixed is still quite alive and kicking. However, if V3 is suppose to fix all this, I would like to report a gigantic bug. The owners may want to ask for a refund from the developers of V3.
One Greek friend who lives in Edinburgh told me that it seems V3 is a very careless work, since it doesn't have backward compatibility
I copy from wikipedia: Backward compatibility is a property of a system, product, or technology that allows for interoperability with an older legacy system, or with input designed for such a system, especially in telecommunications and computing. Backward compatibility is sometimes abbreviated to BC, or called downward compatibility.[1] Modifying a system in a way that does not allow backward compatibility is sometimes called "breaking" backward compatibility.[2] A complementary concept is forward compatibility, which is a design philosophy, usually based on open standards, that strives for methods that will continue to work with newer and future products. Design that is forward-compatible usually has a roadmap for compatibility with future standards and products
Compiler backward compatibility may refer to the ability of a compiler of a newer version of the language to accept programs or data that worked under the previous version.
A data format is said to be backward compatible with its predecessor if every message or file that is valid under the old format is also valid, and retains its meaning, under the new
I'm pretty sure Ronald was being sarcastic.
I would characterize his post as inaccurate. But be that as it may, I just wanted to confirm that V3 has done nothing to address the runway cheating on Chess.com which makes the whole site pretty much moot unless one is playing with known and trusted friends, which can be done on any chess site.
Given this, then other than generosity, why would anyone subscribe to V3 chess if they haven't yet decided to subscribe? Because they are generous?
The best reply you are going to get is the information just above the button in the following:
https://www.chess.com/article/view/introducing-chess-com-version-3
Discussions of that subject are not allowed in the general forums. There is a group for that.
Mr Jeff Rodgers aka Commander Riker thank you for the list of facts you tried to impose on us earlier like you are doing for more than 2 years with V3 without taking into account the gnome of the vast majority of the members who don't like it.
Let me remind you that for as long as you are paid by the site this majority are paying their money to chess,com, personally i have paid more than 100 euros during the last 3 years. In other words you are paid by us and we have every right to decide if we like or if we don't like your new version, all these are faithfull members who you don't want to listen to because you write that you don't care about the polls or how many still don't like V3 but you go even further telling us "hasta la vista baby" help us make it better and fix the disaster that we created with V3 or go elsewhere if you don't like it --
Well, this is not the right thing to say when you are paid by us, you should listen to us, be kind and considerate towards us and apologise first instead of telling us "hasta la vista" then take immediately a poll between all the people who have paid money to the site all through the years to listen to them, and if they still don't like your new product to withdraw it immediately instead of threatening us with V3 now, and try to bring the changes required with a completely new one based on the corrections that already been listed by us and nobody cares
i know many sites have changed in the past like other members write, fb, u-tube etc, but all these sites have nothing to do with chess com cause they didn't have any paying members. Please respect your paying members (I was one before) and listen to them, try to be polite and considerate to all those people who made chess com great and valued you with their money
thank you in advance
Commander_Riker wrote:
Good God Y all ??? We have discussed this over and over again. Saying the same things different ways.
For the last time lets just talk about FACTS.
Fact -1 V2 was built on a Platform this is obsolete. No way to update the core programing not even for security issues.
Fact - 2 V2 hasn't had a sofware update in a very long time and will not ever get another one.
Fact - 3 V2 has to leave as it is not possible to keep it. V3 & V2 running at the same time drains resources and that V3 needs to be fully functional and with speed increases.
Fact - 4 V2 & V3 share the same Data Base which has caused latency issues and extra bug issues until V2 is done & removed.
Fact - 5 Due to the knowledge that V2 can not stay no matter who says, WHY in the Bloody Heck are we voting on which you like Better ??? It means NOTHING (Hello) (Hello) we can't keep it.
Fact - 6 V3 completely rewritten on a new Platform programed with PHP components in no way compatable to anything in V2.
Fact - 7 V3 GUI was only based on 2 Panes on a page and can never be just like V2 due to V2 GUI having 3 columns per page.
Fact - 8 The closest V3 can look like V2 is by useing this link while running V3 ( )
Fact - 9 Erik should take down V2 right away like before the 1st completely. C'est la vie
Fact - 10 All those that refuse to adjust leave and come back when you see how bad it really is out there.
Fact -11 Then and only then will we get strictly input for helping V3 to be better the (Never V3 folks I say it has been nice working with I guess we will see you again.
FACT - 12 These past 3000 comments are really for know reason so why bother V2 is gone and can not be saved.
So get with the program and help improve V3 or (hasta la vista baby) V2 is over we need to put out of this missionary soon and get the site back to improving V3 moving forward.
LIsten I understand what your saying but things are never as simple as they look. Just for your info I do not get paid anything. I put in Hundreds of hours because I care about the members. The main things I do is to try and help. So I'm not being paid to protect V3. I'm a very small part of a large web site to play chess and have fun. I have been an active paying member for 5 years and I enjoy talking to friends and others in our clubs. I try to help keep the site Family friendly as we have many under age members. I think a lot of members forget that this is not a adult site so I do my best to keep everybody friendly to have fun. I can fight anywhere I come here to have fun.
I'm just so burned out about this V3 fight. I didn't ask for this but I adapted the best I could and put in hundreds of hours Beta testing the last year. I have done everything in my power to help Erik and the members get something most all members can be happy with. The more I try lately the more I can see that no matter what we do short of making V3 exactly like V2 that there are some that may never be happy. I have talk personally to lots of members about this in personal messages and I have found out in most of the unhappy members have older machines and slow internet connections. There are many which I was shocked to find out but still running linux w/GUI and Firefox. V3 has been made on a modern platform looking for future ability to make changes and updating. That said the older systems members have make it even harder to get the proper formating in their browsers. Also they have spend thousands of hours making the site in many languages so as many people in the World can enjoy chess. Has anybody even thought how complicated changes are for the developers with so many things that are interconnected on top of that they are running 2 sites causing conflicts between the 2 versions.
I'll never give up trying to help bridge the gap but we have to at some point agree to accept Chess.com the way they are presenting it. I agree there are still Bugs and seems every change bring the possibility of more Bugs. At some point we need to move on. Erik has proposed removing V3 for many months. I give him so much credit to leave V2 running due to all the complaints. I don't want to see any members leave as the members and my friends are what makes the site so great but I see no way to end all of this with V2 still running. The best New Year's present Erik could give everybody in the long run is to pull the plug on V2 on Jan 1st. Don't misunderstand me this is me saying this and only my opinion as we are just going around in cycles. I have personal talked to Erik many times and he has made Hundreds of changes I have submitted. He has gone out of his way to help in everything I and every other member has submitted. I guess I should just unfollow this thread but I'm just hoping in someway we can all agree to work within the range of what is possible. I wish everybody A Happy News years and hope we can move forward in 2017 working together on the best Chess site ever created for the internet. Cheers 
You write on your profile that you are a Computer IT Engineer / Retired
now you are telling us that you are not paid for your services and you only play chess for some 5 years on the site but you can tell Eric to pull out the plug from V2 just for your Happy New Year's Party
Wow!! what can I tell about it? !?!
Amazing, it sounds so proffessional, exactly like the big bug of V3
where did we find you guys? I better start to take back up of all my forums, blogs etc
I'm pretty sure Ronald was being sarcastic.
I would characterize his post as inaccurate. But be that as it may, I just wanted to confirm that V3 has done nothing to address the runway cheating on Chess.com which makes the whole site pretty much moot unless one is playing with known and trusted friends, which can be done on any chess site.
Given this, then other than generosity, why would anyone subscribe to V3 chess if they haven't yet decided to subscribe? Because they are generous?
15,000,000+ members will ensure some "bad seeds"
You always have the option of reporting people.
Whatever the real active membership number may be, my experience is that cheating (being define as some use of expert, book, or computer assistance) is far greater than just some. It is much more than enough for me to consider play on Chess.com as being comparable to playing against a highly rated computer program, something that I can do for free. There are many manifestations of this behavior but it is very real.
Given this, it is extremely difficult for me to come up with a reason that I or anyone else would become a subscriber. It is quite possible that Chess.com has decided to move toward an ad supported site (something I would fully concur with) where clicks are more important than quality, which in turn would fully explain V3. Other than that, all money received from subscribers would be considered charitable donations.
the problem of cheating will still prevail in V3 considering it is difficult to detect,prove and remove the player...why anybody would subscribe and expect mind vs mind chess play should think twice what that money is used for...Yes...donations for staff members entitlements for a job well done for that complete overhaul of V2 cause it had to have modernization and updated codes to compete with other far inferior chess sites...what keeps this chess site afloat are revenues generated from ads...not from subscribers... they have the metrics to gauge that...otherwise they would be more in tune and except with some value and validity the dissatisfaction members have towards the new site...
You write on your profile that you are a Computer IT Engineer / Retired
now you are telling us that you are not paid for your services and you only play chess for some 5 years on the site but you can tell Eric to pull out the plug from V2 just for your Happy New Year's Party
Wow!! what can I tell about it? !?!
Amazing, it sounds so proffessional, exactly like the big bug of V3
where did we find you guys? I better start to take back up of all my forums, blogs etc
Indeed you can read the about Chess.com and see that there are many volunteers here to help the site and members. I can not tell Erik anything or any staff member. I'm just like you I ask for help when I need it or make suggestions which I have been doing trying to help all members. I am retired for about 3 years now so my life is mainly on my desktop. I live on a fixed retirement and just like most seniors that are retired doing our best day to day.
Anyway I have said as much as I can to try and help. This is all just my opinion and sorry for all those that continue to have issues. Sorry if I've been a big bug 
.
I'm looking forward to a new year and will be so happy when this V2 - V3 has worked it's way out.
I didn't mean you are a big bug but everyone say V3 is a huge bug
Please don't cry
May be you will feel better on New Year's Eve when you will pull out the plug of V2 and your dream comes true
I'm pretty sure Ronald was being sarcastic.
I would characterize his post as inaccurate. But be that as it may, I just wanted to confirm that V3 has done nothing to address the runway cheating on Chess.com which makes the whole site pretty much moot unless one is playing with known and trusted friends, which can be done on any chess site.
Given this, then other than generosity, why would anyone subscribe to V3 chess if they haven't yet decided to subscribe? Because they are generous?
15,000,000+ members will ensure some "bad seeds"
You always have the option of reporting people.
Whatever the real active membership number may be, my experience is that cheating (being define as some use of expert, book, or computer assistance) is far greater than just some. It is much more than enough for me to consider play on Chess.com as being comparable to playing against a highly rated computer program, something that I can do for free. There are many manifestations of this behavior but it is very real.
Given this, it is extremely difficult for me to come up with a reason that I or anyone else would become a subscriber. It is quite possible that Chess.com has decided to move toward an ad supported site (something I would fully concur with) where clicks are more important than quality, which in turn would fully explain V3. Other than that, all money received from subscribers would be considered charitable donations.
the problem of cheating will still prevail in V3 considering it is difficult to detect,prove and remove the player...why anybody would subscribe and expect mind vs mind chess play should think twice what that money is used for...Yes...donations for staff members entitlements for a job well done for that complete overhaul of V2 cause it had to have modernization and updated codes to compete with other far inferior chess sites...what keeps this chess site afloat are revenues generated from ads...not from subscribers... they have the metrics to gauge that...otherwise they would be more in tune and except with some value and validity the dissatisfaction members have towards the new site...
Quality of play can be easily addressed by developing a trusted player approach to random (or shall we say not so random) match ups. One does not have to prove our disprove anything. Trusted players are matched based upon ratings, just like Amazon does on its e-commerce platform, which is enormously successful by all metrics.
As clicks are more important to this platform than is quality of play, then V3 can be easily understood. Quality was simply a low priority in design objectives.
I would like to see the new version retain the icon in the Tactics window that takes you immediately to the Stats page after you click on it. This icon appears now only in the initial Tactics window, but is absent in subsequent tactics problems. To see the Stats icon again, you have to go out of Tactics and come back in again. In the old system, the Stats icon is always present.
I would like to see the new version retain the icon in the Tactics window that takes you immediately to the Stats page after you click on it. This icon appears now only in the initial Tactics window, but is absent in subsequent tactics problems. To see the Stats icon again, you have to go out of Tactics and come back in again. In the old system, the Stats icon is always present.
...more clicks...
I would like to see the new version retain the icon in the Tactics window that takes you immediately to the Stats page after you click on it. This icon appears now only in the initial Tactics window, but is absent in subsequent tactics problems. To see the Stats icon again, you have to go out of Tactics and come back in again. In the old system, the Stats icon is always present.
Link/icon is right below the next button.
Ockham of Oakham would have simplified the plethora of syllogisms that , to date , have resolved nothing. The KISS principle will obviate the "noise" that permeates the site to no end. When pollsters are at odds over methodology , it really is time to wait for the owners to develop their processes to their conclusion, as all " the points " re: V2 vs V3 are IN , ad nauseam .
Meanwhile, membership continues to rise.
Oh, welcome back Razza from your slumber.
"They buried them darkly at the dead of night ,
The sods with their bayonets turning " ....( Wally Scott , in the familiar )
.......but if the emphatic punctuation was altered viz.,
"They buried them darkly at the dead of night the sods , etc., etc."
..........we have a different pejorative.
Until the resolvers have done their job , lets have a cessation to bickering , FULL STOP , no punctuation pun intended .
The devolpers of v3 are employees of Chess.com and erik is heavily involved in the process (and has posted here too).
https://www.chess.com/article/view/about-chesscom