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  • #1

    I don't really like it when all descriptions, lessons etc. always refer to the player as "he", "him", "his". Perhaps there could be a possibility to replace this pronoun by the neutral "they", "them"? I'm not a native speaker but from what I understand it's normal to say so in English.

  • #2
    The lesson you may be having may be from a position named after a male GM thus referring to the move HE made. On another note stop being a snowflake if you are offended by trivial things like this get out more.
  • #3
    scicillianmate wrote:
    The lesson you may be having may be from a position named after a male GM thus referring to the move HE made. On another note stop being a snowflake if you are offended by trivial things like this get out more.

    awwww???   so cuuuuute!!  

  • #4
    PorcelanowaLalka wrote:

    I don't really like it when all descriptions, lessons etc. always refer to the player as "he", "him", "his". Perhaps there could be a possibility to replace this pronoun by the neutral "they", "them"? I'm not a native speaker but from what I understand it's normal to say so in English.

    I happen to like it when it's said that way because it's more personal. To me it doesn't matter if it's a he or she, as long as it's not they or them. I can visualize a he doing something, but not a they doing something. When someone say he, I think of my playing partner (who doesn't let me win anymore). But if someone says they, it could be no one, or a computer. 

  • #5

       He joined 8 days ago, and his 1st thread is sexism.......hmm......lets see......who was he before he was lanowalalka?

  • #6

    The life of an informant is a dreary one. He/she/they is/are mentally challenged by the same question all the time.

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  • #7

    This is so ridiculous it's like taking acid then reading posts.

  • #8

    Something you do often?

  • #9
    the english language has it's shortcomings, if you bear that in mind you won't get your knickers in a twist.
  • #10

    A Polish porcelain doll seems innocuous enough.

    What happened to the guy who wanted to revive hot tub chess club? Drowned?

  • #11

     Yeah, he's gone.

  • #12

    Twisted Knickers is a good band name, but already taken.

  • #13
    PorcelanowaLalka wrote:

    I don't really like it when all descriptions, lessons etc. always refer to the player as "he", "him", "his". Perhaps there could be a possibility to replace this pronoun by the neutral "they", "them"? I'm not a native speaker but from what I understand it's normal to say so in English.

    What are your thoughts on smositional chess? Smositional is a better term to describe the implication of the evaluation of photosynthesis in unknown smositions.

  • #14
    For what it counts I agree with OP
  • #15

    I still don't understand how using "they/them" instead of "he" makes any logical sense? Yeah, sure, you could replace it and it still sounds right

    "He played some chess"

    They played some chess"

    But that totally changes what the sentence is talking about!

    It seems rather oversensitive.

  • #16
    scicillianmate wrote:
    The lesson you may be having may be from a position named after a male GM thus referring to the move HE made. On another note stop being a snowflake if you are offended by trivial things like this get out more.

    Op, if you are truly a snowflake, don't get out more. You need yomama's protection!

  • #17

    For aeons 'he' was the required form to use in English when the gender of the person referred to was either unknown or was meant to include both males and females.  The when feminism came to town, suddenly academic journals started refusing to accept scholarly articles unless they always used 'she' as the referent, I guess to emphasize that women are better than men, since this ensures that everyone is treated equally, since reverse discrimination is the new equality.  This has caught on in general society, and now only axe-murders and lunatics are referred to as 'he,' while judges, doctors, geniuses, and gods are referred to as 'she.'  Sometimes 'they' is ungrammatically used as a referent, which makes no sense when the singular is intended.

    If you speak another European language, generally you are aware that grammatical gender has absolutely nothing to do with biological gender, so the proper referents to use are those required by the language's grammatical rules, not by biology.  In German, for example, the young girl is neutral (das Maedchen), the guard is feminine (die Wache), and the uterus is masculine (der Uterus), showing clearly the gulf between grammatical and real gender.  I wish someone would teach that to native English speakers, who seem to find even the utterly minimal accidence in their language too much to master.  E. g., English speakers often write 'its' when they mean 'it is' rather than 'it's' and they forget 's all the time when they use the possessive..

  • #18
    Luitpoldt wrote:

    For aeons 'he' was the required form to use in English when the gender of the person referred to was either unknown or was meant to include both males and females.  The when feminism came to town, suddenly academic journals started refusing to accept scholarly articles unless they always used 'she' as the referent, I guess to emphasize that women are better than men, since this ensures that everyone is treated equally, since reverse discrimination is the new equality.  This has caught on in general society, and now only axe-murders and lunatics are referred to as 'he,' while judges, doctors, geniuses, and gods are referred to as 'she.'  Sometimes 'they' is ungrammatically used as a referent, which makes no sense when the singular is intended.

    If you speak another European language, generally you are aware that grammatical gender has absolutely nothing to do with biological gender, so the proper referents to use are those required by the language's grammatical rules, not by biology.  In German, for example, the young girl is neutral (das Maedchen), the guard is feminine (die Wache), and the uterus is masculine (der Uterus), showing clearly the gulf between grammatical and real gender.  I wish someone would teach that to native English speakers, who seem to find even the utterly minimal accidence in their language too much to master.  E. g., English speakers often write 'its' when they mean 'it is' rather than 'it's' and they forget 's all the time when they use the possessive..

    suddenly academic journals started refusing to accept scholarly articles unless they always used 'she' as the referent,

    evidence please.

    not saying its no true, just need some substantiation for the claim.

  • #19

    Its not normal in english, because they refers to a plural group. The person playing chess is singular. Some people want to be referred to as they, because they feel as if they are multiple people in one body, but in general using they to refer to a single person doesn't make sense.

     

    Initially I thought, maybe it would be better to use she in place of he in certain lessons rather than use a new pronoun altogether, to try to balance it out. In theory, that also means we would also have to use the non-binary pronouns too, once in a while, for players who identify that way. I think this approach is probably okay, though it does result in some tension concerning how many times one group is mentioned over the other.

     

    I think the best solution may be to just avoid using any gendered language altogether. Instead of "he plays" just say "the best play is", even if its a bit more challenging. For those struggling with this, just imagine if all the examples were "she plays". At some point you would think: Why is it always women? It feels kind of uncomfortable. Not like its the end of the world, but if you can help fix it, why not?

  • #20

    I think it would be much simpler if we changed it from he or she too moron or idiot. Such as, if moron 1 plays..then moron 2 best response would be... We all know that morons and idiots transcend all Races and gender who could we possibly offend.

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