why does computer anylizing suck?

Seriously though why? why not use houdini or stockfish? thanks

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i used to, but as soon as i got houdini i quite

a weak 2500 for diamond members. a louzy 2000 computer for free members

oh only because you can get a 3000 computer for free download.

besides free members can only get one game a week done, ok it is free but still! the only good thing about it that is good is that it is really easy to follow, and to use

Premium members used to have a pretty decent engine analysis available but there was obviously a management decision to replace it with something much weaker.  All the good engines have opening "books" associated with them.  Ours no longer does and the results are often ludicrous.  When I first joined it would take about half an hour to get a game analyzed; now it flies back in about 5 minutes.  I guess management decided it didn't want to waste the computer time that a good engine took.  Oh well, still marginally useful to point out missed tactics but not much else

My suspicion, and it's only that, is that the decision to change "server farms" had something to do with the downgrade.  It's been what, a year now, that we've been waiting for live games to show up in the Explorer?

Um, just get the PGN of your game, import it into any number of free programs and use Stockfish or Houdini on it.  There is literally no reason to use something built into chess.com, and definitely no reason to complain about it.

Even Houdini 1.5 or even houdini 1 would easily crush any of the chess.com computers

3300 vs 2500 is a completely different animal than 2000 vs 1200 and I can't believe that was even a serious comparison. I have a hard time believing the chess.com computer to be not useful enough for anyone below 2000 OTB. And anyone above 2000 will likely have their own, better, chess engine.

And if you really are desperate for a better engine it's been mentioned before that the free Houdini programs are available to you.

So basically you want an engine that is strong, free, and integrated into chess.com? Yeah... okay. 

I mean, sure, it would be nice if chess.com's main engine was stronger but are we in all seriousness complaining about a 2500 strength program? Really?

How is that relevant? You have to pay for ICC

Truthfully, I use it mainly to see if my opponent made any mistakes or blunders. If not, I run my own analysis and send the results to chess.com.

I also use it for as quick reference to see where I went wrong in a game. I usually have a pretty good idea, but not always. It is nice to see at a glance, just how cleanly you might have played.

 I think it is an excellent tool, in spite of a few flaws that are easily understood and ignored in time. All of you who aren't 2200+, I don't recommend that you try to understand Houdini's evaluation of many positions, for two reasons. They won't help you understand positional strategy for your play later on and you also won't likely be able to understand tactical ideas that won't happen for another 23 moves by either of you.

The only part of your brain likely to be exercised is your long term memory. You need to learn how to evaluate positions more from a human perspective. Moves at 2500 elo are far more human like than 3000 elo. You also need to learn how to calculate tactics using the tactics trainer and not try to memorize Houdini's lines. Even if you mananged to succeed, it will get you banned..... food for thought

I notice a lot of carping about the features on this site by free members. If everyone on this site paid for a membership, they'd likely have the latest and greatest features available. If you took the time you're wasting on complaining, you'd already have a program(like Arena or SCID or another free program) and Stockfish or Houdini or Gull, Bouquet, Komodo, etc. installed and at the ready to analyze any game you wish. For free.

If you're too lazy to download and install a better solution for your needs, then use the free service here and live with it....

If you want better features buy a membership and encourage your friends to as well. Pretty soon there will be better features.

...a 2500 strength computer which is more than enough for very many things.

And we're completed the circle. I've already stated this. Are you just arguing to argue? See Nameno1had's post for a more elaborated explanation.

I analyze my games two ways. I use the sites tool and then do my own in Fritz. Get two different views that way.  

What do paying members get? I get Chess mentor, Tactics trainer, instructional videos, etc. And the knowledge I'm supporting the site. I think that was well worth what I paid.

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 ....there are other things too like , no ads, seeing all of your stats, games, etc and your opponent's

I like your post for a few reasons. One is that it demonstrates one way how it can be done, with a little bit of "work" .... a lot of guys want the results, but not the work...

...in fact, if some of you would use your heads for more than trolling or a hat rack, you'd figure out that you can use chess.com's tools here along with a notepad in windows and put all of those things together.

The little icon at the top of this new post's window is a powerful tool. You can literally insert, alter, record and copy pgn's of your games with lines you analyze here on an analysis board and store them for later referral.

Get a free gui or uci interface and let an engine work some of the potential lines if you think you prefer, but remember, what you create on your own, you can refer back to for correspondence games. If you use an engine to show alternate lines that you could or should have played in your games, you aren't allow to refer to them for correspondence.

ok so for free member they get 2000 computer with one game a week done.

Gold members get 2200 with 5 or so a week

Platanium and Diamond members get 2500 with unlimited games done.

Kinda rough estimates, but decently accurate.