Why the Downgrade?

Spacebux

In case you missed it, IMBacon: the first 4(!!) results in this search on YouTube are all about how to use V3.  https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chess.com+interface
And I believe there were dozens made for V3.  You and glamdring27 can go and sit down with some popcorn and relive those great moments of V3-Discovery.  👍

IMBacon
Spacebux wrote:

@IMBacon - how many YouTube videos were made to explain how to use the V2 interface? 

No clue...and if you need a video on how to navigate a website?  You're probably not skilled enough to be using that site.  That video, as unnecessary as it was, was made to help those that didn't have a clue.  I understand the purpose of the video.  It was to appease all those that don't like change, and refuse to change.  I get that, I was one of those complainers.  But like i said before.  I had a choice to stay or leave.  I chose to stay for the simple fact that i didn't like change, or wanted it.  I was "comfortable" with V2. 

After V2 went away, and V3 was now being used, it took me about 1 day to get over the whining and complaining, and to know where everything was.

What gets me even now, are those that have been here for years, and will post: "How do i report someone?"

IMBacon
Spacebux wrote:

In case you missed it, IMBacon: the first 4(!!) results in this search on YouTube are all about how to use V3.  https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chess.com+interface
And I believe there were dozens made for V3.  You and glamdring27 can go and sit down with some popcorn and relive those great moments of V3-Discovery.  👍

I never log in to this site, and think about what version its on. 

Spacebux

👉 the point being that V2's User Interface was intuitive enough that Videos on How To Use it were unnecessary. 

insidejob

I'm quitting this forum.  What was originally, I think, intended to be fact based technical constructive criticism has now devolved into personal attacks.  I'll go read something else.  Stay well, amigos.

IMBacon
Spacebux wrote:

👉 the point being that V2's User Interface was intuitive enough that Videos on How To Use it were unnecessary. 

I get that not everyone likes change, i get that not everyone ants change, I get that not everyone is happy with change.  I get that some simply do not care for V3 here.  So lets get past all that stuff, and lets look at it this way.  Lets just say that Erik made a mistake, and refused to listen to anyone, and continue to roll out V3.  Lets assume he knew it was a microsoft abortion, and still didn't listen.  Lets assume his people presented him with mounds of evidence that V3 was a failure, and he refused to listen.  Erik runs the site, he runs it the way he wants to, and ill be damned what anyone else thinks or wants. 

Now...assuming all this.  What is your constant complaining going to do about it?  Especially since he sees that diamond next to your name.  Since i don't know, i will ask.  Has Erik approached you about meeting to discuss your complaints?  I mean, a genuine approach, not a message/email, about how he "understands your frustration"

EDIT:  I'm not saying your wrong, or don't have valid complaints.  Im just curious what you hope to accomplish?

glamdring27

I moaned about V3 plenty last year, and the forced sidebar instead of the top bar I used to use even in V3, but I've worked out how to start a game of chess so I tolerate it.

IMBacon
glamdring27 wrote:

I moaned about V3 plenty last year, and the forced sidebar instead of the top bar I used to use even in V3, but I've worked out how to start a game of chess so I tolerate it.

Thats my point.  I was a major complainer about V3, but when i thought about it.  It wasn't that i didn't like V3, or thought it was horrible, it was that i didn't like change. 

Reepicheep14

I like change:

RedGirlZ
Spacebux wrote:
RedGirlZ wrote:

I wasn't defending it.

 

Ahh, but you are.  Your incessant "Get Over It" theme is not only redundant and entirely recalcitrant, but also unconvincing to a point of absurdity.

Obtuse.  Obdurate.  Whatever big word you can conjure up, this isn't about me.  It's about the failure of a software/service company incapable of delivering an "upgrade" after years of development work.

 

If I had to gander a guess, I'd say the majority of the Defenders of V3 have a vested interest in the current state of things.  Otherwise, why waste your time whapping away at a keyboard or giving Seri / Alexa lip-service to tell me how implacable my attitude is?  Do you really care about my feelings, or are you so shallow that shouting-down a non-body on the internet is going to give you the Big 'O'?

My statement stands: V3 cannot stand up to V2.  Period.  V3 is a downgrade and you fuddy-duddies cannot defend it with technical points.. only nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-you-can't-have-v2... elementary school playground banter.  Here's some advice back at you: mature.

It's funny how you keep accusing "version 3 defenders" that they don't respond to ur points with actual points, yet you almost completely avoided every single point I made, and just went on to insult me. You need to take your own medicine. 

 

You can keep saying I'm a version 3 defender, I'm not. Incessant? There's been tons of forums like this about version 3, this is the first time i've commented. my original comment wasn't even really a debate. I was just saying that it's been out for so long u should be used to it by now. 

 

Your "technical" points about the site are inconsequential, they don't really affect the vast majority of players. I'll quickly and briefly explain a couple that you mentioned, since you want to keep claiming i don't provide points and just be a cult worshipper, even though that's not the case: 

1) "The user interface". You claim version 2 interface was much more simple. There's aspects to it that were, but one aspect that isn't, is the messages. Version 2's messages were somewhat more complicated than version 3's. In version 3's you go to your messages and they are all there in one box per person. Version 2 every single messages was a new box and it could be hard to keep track of. 

 

2) The second thing I'd talk about is you mentioning That Everything on version 3's menu is with Icons. You mentioned this twice weirdly enough, also saying v3 is entirely about Icons. I'm sorry but this isn't even a point. First off, when you hover your mouse over an option like say puzzle rush, it pops up a little box that says "puzzle rush". Grant it that's not as fast as version 2's words + icons, but this isn't a point, why? Because you should have memorised the entire icons on the menu page by now, if you've been using it for multiple years. Forget multiple years. If you've used the version 3 interface for only a couple days you should be used to it. Also, not to mention, but in the version 3 interface, on the side with say the forums bubble icon, the play icon, when you hover over these and the options inside them come up, they all have an icon plus the word, so Idk where that complaint came from. You seriously have no awareness obviously. 

 

3) Another ridiculous thing you mentioned was the tactics. SERIOUSLY? It takes me 3 seconds to get to the tactics and bam we get started. The only issue I have with the Tactics on version 3 is it doesn't stay on the position after u say fail it, to figure it out, it just bam goes on to the next one. It's not bad in anyway, and it's not considerably worse than version 2's to warrant a complaint. 

 

4) another absolutely ridiculous thing you mentioned, Focus mode. I mean this is just completely stupid. It's an extra perk for people who are only interested in seeing the board on their screen. How is this anyway an inconvenience for you? How in the hell is this even a point against version 3? It's OPTIONAL. I've never even used it, and it's never bothered me before. 

 

Now, READ CLOSELY. I AGREE with you that many things about chess.com version 3 are definitely a downgrade from version 2. Don't get your underwear in a knot okay? Read properly before u respond. For example you mentioned Chess diagrams and using them in forums and inputing them. This is one that yes, chess.com version 2 was much more efficient in. There's small things like that, which version 3 is inferior in yes. BUT, these aren't things that really effect the majority of people, and the effects aren't HUGE, they are just small inconveniences. Now small inconveniences can be irritating if you're dealing with them on an every day basis, but you're NOT, and that's why, I feel like this constant irritation towards version 3 is more you resisting change, then something that's actually wrong with version 3.

 

Call me a version 3 defender or cult worshipper, I'm just happy to adapt with change, you should try it as well. 

camter

I have to confess that V3, since I had to learn it after September last, is not quite as bad as I thought. You can still get a game OK, and it looks very pretty, but for  Chess Player who actually wants to analyse, as against for a gamester, and engine user, it is not all that great.

So, I do not use TT hardly at all any more, and Daily Games, I have two going now. They will be my last. Unless they restore some of the old V2 features.

So, millennials, go for it! You know all the New Tech and Symbols, and are rapidly losing the ability to talk, or even communicate.

Happy tapping and scraping! 

thee_black_knight

And I spent a lot of time with version 2, learning how to use a different colored fonts. Setting up a really nice-looking group home page. Those are hours and days I will never get back. I also think version 2 was better.