Survey: Negated wins

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TadDude

This is not a discussion about getting ratings points back.

This is not a discussion about cheating. Try not to have this thread locked.

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A win can be negated by the staff. See here and post #38. Results here.

(Edit: The thread referenced in the first link has been deleted, probably way too much aggravation if players asked for redress. The results can still be seen in the second link.)

Put yourself in oldrunner55's shoes here and assume staff have time available after dealing with all the other complaints.

Would you request that staff negate another player's wins so you could advance?

Updated to post #16.

7 - Yes

1 - No

Edit: Note the "would" not "should". It is possible only one person in the history of chess.com as made the request. Anybody other than gumpty out there?

PrawnEatsPrawn

It seems that a clear precedent was formed by the example given in the OP.

I vote "Yes".

Loomis

If I was in oldrunner's shoes (hehe) I would not have made the request. But I don't think there was anything wrong with it. I would hope the staff would make this an automatic feature, rather than having to do it by hand.

TheGrobe

Agreed -- there's no reason these can't be automatically detected and corrected universally.

ilikeflags

yes

TadDude
Loomis wrote:

... I would hope the staff would make this an automatic feature, rather than having to do it by hand.


That would take resources from other programming priorities. Perhaps if there were more requests for redress.

Group #1, Group #8, Group #15 and a big one Groups #1, #2, #7 and #11. In the last example the second place player in Group #11 would advance on the tiebreak failure.

rooperi

hmm, I posted about the same sort of scenario a few days ago, although in this case it did not involve cheating:

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/tournaments/punished-for-playing-fast?lc=1#last_comment

TheGrobe

Both scenarios should be treated the same.

xiii-Dex

absolutely.  I think Chess.com should be required to keep their decisions consistent

ozzie_c_cobblepot

I would support this as long as no further games have started. For example, a convicted cheater won a gold medal in a tournament in which I think I got a bronze. I'd be okay upgrading the places 2-4 to stand on the podium.

xiii-Dex

although, if the next round has started, I Dont think Chess.com can really do anything Frown

TadDude
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

I would support this as long as no further games have started. For example, a convicted cheater won a gold medal in a tournament in which I think I got a bronze. I'd be okay upgrading the places 2-4 to stand on the podium.


If I understand then you want finished tournaments to be retroactively fixed. Well wishing doesn't cost anything.

For ongoing tournaments players are moved up as the removed player is not awarded a medal but this may not be fair.

Here vkoval will be awarded the gold and Runner will be awarded the silver. If wins were negated Runner would be awarded the gold medal. 

nuclearturkey

Yes.

WuGambinoKillaBee

i'd say yes, but then the staff would have to restore every other account's losses against cheaters. I myself lost 2 of my 3 online chess losses to an account now banned, the so-called 'Mr. Sauve'.

maybe this can apply to tourney's only though, that would save them a lot of time?

TheGrobe

I'm pretty sure the scope of these corrections would be for tournament games only, and even then likely wouldn't retroactively correct ratings or win/loss records.