USCF OTB: Ok to stand behind Opponent's Chair? + Puzzle Question

SeniorPatzer

Question for Tournament Directors or Knowledgeable Players:  Is it okay to stand behind your opponent's chair to see the board from his point of view?  Or is it against USCF rules?  

 

 

What's prompting the question is that oftentimes I can sometimes solve a puzzle better when I switch the board to the Player whose turn it is to move.  Eg., White to move and win, then I want to see it from White's point of view.  If "Black to move and win," then I want to see it from Black's point of view.

 

 

So I was wondering if it's permissible to do that in an USCF OTB tournament?  Now I have never ever seen anyone do what I'm suggesting, so maybe it's against the rules?

 

 

I was just wondering, when I've pressed my clock, and it's his/her turn to move, maybe I can see my opponent's candidate moves or plans or strategies BETTER if I got up out of my chair, and walked around and viewed the game from his/her vantage point.  (!?) 

 

 

I wouldn't be doing it to intimidate or bother my opponent.  I'd be doing it so that I'd make better moves.  Q:  Is this legal per USCF Rules?

 

 

Puzzle Question:  If it's against USCF rules, should I then stop "Flipping" the board for 2D online puzzle-solving so I get used to solving puzzles from only one fixed vantage point?  

 

 

It's just that when I solve positions, I like to think and see  as "GO FORWARD" towards my opponent.   Going backwards doesn't feel as comfortable. 

 

EOGuel

As far as I know, it's completely fine... as long as your opponent is not annoyed.

knighttour2

I think it's okay to do for a second or two if you are a little ways back, but "hovering" over his shoulder is not okay.  I agree that seeing things from the opponent's vantage point is nice and if you stand back a little bit so you aren't crowding him you should be fine.  I think the relevant rule basically says that you can't do anything to bother/annoy/distract your opponent, but I don't think any behaviors are listed.

SeniorPatzer
EOGuel wrote:

As far as I know, it's completely fine... as long as your opponent is not annoyed.

 

If you're 99% sure, that'd be great!   I wouldn't do it on every move, but during certain times when I thought it was a critical position or a turning point, I'd like to reserve out the option to getting up and standing behind my opponent's chair to quietly think.   (I wouldn't let out silencers or anything.  I promise!)

knighttour2

Worst case scenario the opponent complains and the TD tells you to stop.  You won't get forfeited or face a time penalty or anything, at least not the first time.  No downside, so might as well give it a shot happy.png

Firethorn15

I've never done it myself, but a few of my opponents have done it against me. Just so long as you don't get too close or do anything to put the opponent off, I can't see why it would be a problem. It's just like watching some random other game in the tournament hall.

AnthonyAtanasov

yeah tons of my opponents in Canadian and FIDE rated tournaments do that, I find it annoying but I never report my opponents or anything. Actually some coaches recommend that to their students. I don't think it's against the rules, unless they're in time pressure and you start making funny faces at them wink.png

AnthonyAtanasov
Firethorn15 wrote:

I've never done it myself, but a few of my opponents have done it against me. Just so long as you don't get too close or do anything to put the opponent off, I can't see why it would be a problem. It's just like watching some random other game in the tournament hall.

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SeniorPatzer
AnthonyAtanasov wrote:

yeah tons of my opponents in Canadian and FIDE rated tournaments do that, I find it annoying but I never report my opponents or anything. Actually some coaches recommend that to their students. I don't think it's against the rules, unless they're in time pressure and you start making funny faces at them

 

You know what would be kinda funny?  If both players started doing that!?!  

 

I feel your presence behind me.  I make my move, press my clock, then I get up and quietly walk over to your side of the board, lol!

AnthonyAtanasov
SeniorPatzer wrote:
AnthonyAtanasov wrote:

yeah tons of my opponents in Canadian and FIDE rated tournaments do that, I find it annoying but I never report my opponents or anything. Actually some coaches recommend that to their students. I don't think it's against the rules, unless they're in time pressure and you start making funny faces at them

 

You know what would be kinda funny?  If both players started doing that!?!  

 

I feel your presence behind me.  I make my move, press my clock, then I get up and quietly walk over to your side of the board, lol!

LOL haha

 

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Joseph_Truelson
EOGuel wrote:

As far as I know, it's completely fine... as long as your opponent is not annoyed.

I only do it if they’re annoyed 

EOGuel
Joseph_Truelson wrote:
EOGuel wrote:

As far as I know, it's completely fine... as long as your opponent is not annoyed.

I only do it if they’re annoyed 

If they're too annoyed, you might have a word or two with the TD wink.png

Joseph_Truelson
EOGuel wrote:
Joseph_Truelson wrote:
EOGuel wrote:

As far as I know, it's completely fine... as long as your opponent is not annoyed.

I only do it if they’re annoyed 

If they're too annoyed, you might have a word or two with the TD

I’m not scared, this already happened.

AnthonyAtanasov
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AnthonyAtanasov
Joseph_Truelson wrote:
EOGuel wrote:
Joseph_Truelson wrote:
EOGuel wrote:

As far as I know, it's completely fine... as long as your opponent is not annoyed.

I only do it if they’re annoyed 

If they're too annoyed, you might have a word or two with the TD

I’m not scared, this already happened.

and you were kicked out of the tournament (I was the TD)

AnthonyAtanasov
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SeniorPatzer
AnthonyAtanasov wrote:
Joseph_Truelson wrote:
EOGuel wrote:
Joseph_Truelson wrote:
EOGuel wrote:

As far as I know, it's completely fine... as long as your opponent is not annoyed.

I only do it if they’re annoyed 

If they're too annoyed, you might have a word or two with the TD

I’m not scared, this already happened.

and you were kicked out of the tournament (I was the TD)

 

Really??  If it's okay to answer, what did the Founder of RAR do to get removed from the tournament?

AnthonyAtanasov
SeniorPatzer wrote:
AnthonyAtanasov wrote:
Joseph_Truelson wrote:
EOGuel wrote:
Joseph_Truelson wrote:
EOGuel wrote:

As far as I know, it's completely fine... as long as your opponent is not annoyed.

I only do it if they’re annoyed 

If they're too annoyed, you might have a word or two with the TD

I’m not scared, this already happened.

and you were kicked out of the tournament (I was the TD)

 

Really??  If it's okay to answer, what did the Founder of RAR do to get removed from the tournament?

jk lol

 

I was joking wink.png

SeniorPatzer

Oh.  Okay, you got me.  RAR is infamous (at least online) for their notoriety.  So it seemed plausible that bad boy Truelson got booted from a tourney.

EOGuel
SeniorPatzer wrote:

Oh.  Okay, you got me.  RAR is infamous (at least online) for their notoriety.  So it seemed plausible that bad boy Truelson got booted from a tourney.

Good one, sir Patzer!