You must have a timeout ratio lower than 10% to play in tournaments

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Lurkey wrote:

They really should adjust this. I haven't been able to play in a tournament because I lost three matches to time because I was still new to the site at the time and didn't understand how online chess matches worked. It should be "complete X amount of games OR have a timeout rating less than 15%"


 I was about to say well you only need to complete 30 games and you're ok, unfortunately you've also managed to lose 2 more since so you have 5 time outs in 27 games.  If you can't mange to avoid timing out, or can't manage to play more games then the likelihood is you'll time out in the tournaments too, particularly if they have a lot of games in them. 

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MM78 wrote:
Lurkey wrote:

They really should adjust this. I haven't been able to play in a tournament because I lost three matches to time because I was still new to the site at the time and didn't understand how online chess matches worked. It should be "complete X amount of games OR have a timeout rating less than 15%"


 I was about to say well you only need to complete 30 games and you're ok, unfortunately you've also managed to lose 2 more since so you have 5 time outs in 27 games.  If you can't mange to avoid timing out, or can't manage to play more games then the likelihood is you'll time out in the tournaments too, particularly if they have a lot of games in them. 


What would happen if Lurkey signed up as a greeter. A high proportion of greeter games would time out against him. Would this lower his timed out ratio without actually playing complete games?

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I recall reading in a different thread a post by Staff that said that greeter games don't count in any of your stats in any fashion. 

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eddiewsox wrote:

I recall reading in a different thread a post by Staff that said that greeter games don't count in any of your stats in any fashion. 


Whereas UNRATED games are counted in the basic Games stats.
Games
Total: 291
Won: 151 (52%)
Lost: 118 (41%)
Drawn: 22 (8%)
Unrated: 36
In Progress: 21
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I had just created my account on chess.com and entered into a tournament. I thought that I would have computer access while away on the vacation that I took and timed out of 19 games. Which at the time put me at a ratio of 50 percent or higher. Since then I have been playing as many games as I can, and entering into Group Internal Tournaments. I figured it was only me to blame and not chess.com. I mean it really sucked that I could finish those games up in the tournaments and I think that a few people were upset with me over it. I accept it as my own issue not with chess.com. I have another 20 or 50 games to go before I can play in another tournament.

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petersen-zac wrote: ...  Which at the time put me at a ratio of 50 percent or higher. Since then I have been playing as many games as I can, and entering into Group Internal Tournaments. I figured it was only me to blame and not chess.com....

Choosing opponents who move at high speed will enable you to serve your 'sentence' as quickly as possible.

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Easy solution to all the people who want to change the rules: just play and complete more games.

What assurances do the rest of us have that you won't timeout when you get in the tournament anyways? See what problem it's trying to solve?

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Defenitly play more games, but why not add a filter on the tournament page so you can view the ones thats has a diferent timeout ratio, beacause the director of the tournament change it for 15%.

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I WAS DENIED ACCESS TO A COMPETITION ON THIS 10% RULE AND YET THE ONLY REASON THAT MY TIMEOUTS  ARE OVER 10% IS BECAUSE I WENT ON HOLIDAY FOR 2 WEEKS.I EVEN RECIEVED AN EMAIL ASKING WHERE I WAS AND YET I HAD SENT AN EMAIL STAATING THAT I WAS GOING ON HOLIDAY FOR 2 WEEKS.THAT SEEMED TO BE THE ONLY WAY OF GETTING IN CONTACT,AS I WAS NOT A MEMBER AT THE TIME.

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Then use the vacation button. Don't blame the site for you not reading the instructions.

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if something exceptional happens, and you ruin your likelihood of tournament play for the foreseeable future, just set up a second account with chess.com, and use that for tournaments!

if you find that you still time out there again, maybe you shouldn't play tournaments...

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enufem wrote: ..., just set up a second account with chess.com, and use that for tournaments!

Not such a good idea ...

Only One Account

Members may only have ONE Chess.com account. Members who create more than one account may have all accounts closed.

http://www.chess.com/legal.html

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If you have gone on vacation for 2 weeks at some point, then tournaments are not for you.

They last several months, and you are rightfully being denied entrance to the tournament.

What's the problem?

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Like you havent gone on vacation ever.

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Set your status to "on vacation" -- the website handles this.

10% is a pretty high number for timeout ratio. If you can't get it below 10% then you won't have the patience for a complete tournament anyways. It's completely reasonable to exclude users based on timeout ratio.

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ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

Set your status to "on vacation" -- the website handles this.

10% is a pretty high number for timeout ratio. If you can't get it below 10% then you won't have the patience for a complete tournament anyways. It's completely reasonable to exclude users based on timeout ratio.


It's pretty high if you have like 700 games, but not if you have less games, like 100, how can I play more games, if the tournaments are block for the 10% rule and need for every game lost for timeout, about 50 games in a row?

how many games have you play without counting  the ones you play with the tournament? It's easy to say play more games.

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To play more games, find seeks and play them.

Timeouts in tournaments can be incredibly unfair. Take a player who wins some and loses some, before losing all the rest of their games on timeout. If one of the players they beat ends up near the top of the standings, it can effectively determine who wins, or who advances to the next section.

Using vacation in tournaments is also a sensitive issue - generally with non-paying members who can only enter one tournament at a time.

I still don't see the problem. If your timeout ratio is over 10% then the chances you timeout are pretty darn high. We're supposed to just "take your word for it" that you won't timeout in any tournaments games?

I've been to Guatemala City several times, loved it.

-- Ozzie

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When you signed up into chess.com you accepted the rules of the site. So blame it yourself, and only yourself, for not reading it first.

 

This is the chess.com way or the highway.

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arigalt wrote:

It's pretty high if you have like 700 games, but not if you have less games, like 100, how can I play more games, if the tournaments are block for the 10% rule and need for every game lost for timeout, about 50 games in a row?


 for every game lost you have to play ten games not 50.  There are always plenty of open seeks and you can set your own.  At least then if you "forget" to use the vacation option before you depart you won't mess a tournament up. 

You and I have about the same number of games played, over 300 each. You have 40 time outs, I have none.  You have 46 games in progress, I rarely have more than 20-25. You have 46 games going and you want to enter tournaments as well?  I can't see what you're on about to be honest, you really think it's unreasonable to expect you to finish those 46 games without timing any of them out?

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arigalt,

 

Wow! talk about making a mountain out of a mole-hill! You're timeout ratio is 11% over nearly 400 games, and you have 46 games in progress. So, any day now you'll be eligible again to play in tournaments. Less gum-bumping here, and more play will hasten that eventuality. Tongue out

p.s. Gold membership is $29.95, probably a lot less stress if you have limited internet access, than spilling your guts on here.

p.p.s. $30 might buy a beer and a bar meal for two here, not exactly a hill of beans is it?