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e4 e5 nf3 f6!!??

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #1


    Worst opening ever in my opinion for black. Here's why.


  • 2 years ago · Quote · #2


  • 2 years ago · Quote · #3


    Rubblewurm wrote: 
    I like playing this for fun sometimes not good at all but still fun.

    Fun for White obviously after 4. Nc4.  If 4...Qxe4+  5. Ne3 followed by 6. Nc3, if 4...d5  5. Qh5+ followed by 6. Qxd5, and if 4...f5  5. Nc3 and then if 5...fxe4?  6. Nd5.

    Actually I suppose in that second line Black gets some counterplay as follows - is this what you are hoping for?

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #4


  • 24 months ago · Quote · #5


    nope not worst look at the opening of the day the mosquitto gambit which is the worst in my oppinion

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #6


    Never ever have seen mosquito gambit in my games. 

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #7


    Explains why it's called the mosquito gambit.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #8


  • 13 months ago · Quote · #9


    Not the worst opening at all!! Here comes the best game of Damiano defense!! Why is it the best game? Because Worlds best player got drawn by the Damiano defense. Recently I am trying this opening. Good progress!!

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #10


    Now would be the correct moment for someone to post "The Damiano Defence refutes 1.e4".

  • 7 months ago · Quote · #11


    This is a game that I played 2 days ago that was doing f6. LOL.

  • 7 months ago · Quote · #12


    the real reason f6 is a bad move is much simpler. It doesnt develop.

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #13


    Fiveofswords wrote:

    the real reason f6 is a bad move is much simpler. It doesnt develop.

    d6 doesn't develop either.

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #14


    wow great post. I have been playing 2...f6 all these years, and facing it all the time! Everyone plays it.

    What a brilliant refutation!

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #15


    I would label them 2...f6?! and 3...fxe5??

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #16


    Sacrificing a knight on start is not a good idea in opening, i don't see any bid adv !

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #17


    In the Fischer game after 7. ... Bc5 the correct move is 8. Nc3! and then if Qxc2  9. Qd4! seizes the initiative and gains a development lead well worth the pawn and more.

    For example. 9. ... Nc6 10 Qe3+ Black has a problem because his Queen is nearly trapped.  E.G. 10. ... Nge7 11. 0-0 0-0-0?? 12. Ne1! and goodby queen. 

    All black's pawn "win" has done is put his Queen in a pickle.

    I regret to say the analysis given in the other postings is just as bad.

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #18


    fireflashghost wrote:
    Chessking47 wrote:
    Fiveofswords wrote:

    the real reason f6 is a bad move is much simpler. It doesnt develop.

    d6 doesn't develop either.

    But d6 is a more solid way to defend the pawn, because it doesn't weaken the kingside, and in general it begins to set up a solid position.  2...d6 isn't necessarily the best line (and in my opinion going through a Pirc-like move order is a better option to get to a Philidor), but it's loads more preferable than 2...f6? and much more sound.

    The real real real issue is that f6 doesn't actually defend the pawn. It opens up tactics that allow White to take on e5 anyway. The pawn on e5 is only indirectly defended by playing Qe7 and retaking on e4--something Black could do without playing f6 anyway.

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #19


    Let's take a look at what happens when black takes the knight:

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #20


    Nusons wrote:Worst opening ever in my opinion for black. Here's why:

    After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f6, 3.Nxe5 the correct reply is 3....Qe7 (not 2.fxe5) when Black recovers the pawn on 4.Nc4 Qxe4+

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