Help: Opening for Black againsh 1.d4 That is difficult for White to avoid.

Hi,

I know King's Indian Defense is difficult to avoid for white because Black can (in most situation) blindly play the first few moves against any whites setup. But i find KID is a little passive for me so im looking for an alternative. Nimzo for Instance is easy to avoid as well as QID and I need to study against the Catalan if white varies. I'm currently investigating the Tarrasch. Do you think White can easily avoid the Tarrasch? If yes then can anybody suggest another? What do you think about the Grunfeld?

thanks for the help

Old benoni
Dutch

1...e5 The Englund

First of all, i would like to remind you that the Great King's Indian Defence (KID ) is NOT a Passive defence ! Look at some of Garry Kasparov games playing the KID with black .However , I found out that if you tread wrongly while playing the KID with black against some of white's setups e.g. the Radical Four pawns Attack. You can easily find yourself in BIG trouble . Secondly , what do you mean by " Hard to Avoid " for white ? DO you want to know some openings that are difficult for white not to transpose into after black's reply to 1.d4 ? 

I usually play the queens gambit accepted or declined. You might want to try those out if you think the KID is passive. 

I like the QGD and QGA (and I guess the slav too) because the structural and strategic principles are easy enough for a patzer like me to sort of understand :P

Its possible to avoid the KID by playing 2g3. Then after 2..g6 3Bg2 Bg7 4e4 d6 5Nc3 00 6Nge2 its the Pirc. 3...d5 leads to Grunfeld, 2..c5 to Benoni and 2...d5 to Catalan.

Another way to avoid KID - play 1.e4, later on you are not obliged to play c2-c4. But that would be up to you to decide what you prefer to face - KID or Pirc, Modern defense, or Dragon variation in Sicilian defense (I mean the schemes similar to KID).

It seemed to me that Catalan opening begins with 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 ...

Yes but is possible to enter into Catalan by transposition: 1d4 Nf6 2g3 d5 3c4.

 gracias

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Thank you all for the suggestions.  What do you think about the Grunfeld? Is it easy for white to avoid it after 1.d4 ?

Not really, if he plays the trompowsky, london or colle you are in trouble (not really). The Grunfeld is very complicated (white has around 8 variations for advantage, all leading to very different play).

I would recommend your to choose an opening, see some games with it (with the "guess the move" feature, so you have an idea about whats going on), and when you chose: Stick to it for half a year. Learn the sidelines (for example london and trompowsky), then you have a repertoire for a lifetime

Grunfeld is like a sicilian for d4 opening. ..very sharp n double edged position anything could happen...provides good fighting chance.

try the modern benoni u get lasting queenside counterplay and very strong diagnol for ur f8 bishop through fianchettoing it.But u might want to study the taimanov attack it is the most dangerous response against the modern benoni

actually yes the most forcing defence against d4 is qga because after d4 d5 white must play c4 to get anything out of the opening

There is no "catch all" defense to 1.d4. Get over it. The closest thing is the Modern Defense, but White can force you into the en modern with 2.e4 and no c4, or he can play 2.c4 and go into the d4 modern. Against any 1...d5 defense, you have the London, Colle, Veresov, Pseudo Tromp, etc. Play 1...Nf6 and take away the Pseudo Tromp and add the Regular Tromp and, provided Black doesn't play 2...d5, you also have the Torre. Remove the Colle option after 2...g6. Even in the case of the Dutch, you have anti lines to deal with like 2.Nc3, 2.e4, 2.g4, 2.Bg5, etc.

In the games where White doesn't play 1.e4, in most cases I play 1. ... Nf6 and 2. ... e6, and then it depends on what White has played at the first two moves 

1.d4,d5 what is wrong

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