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[HURT HEAL] Queen Pawn Openings w/o 1...d5

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ThrillerFan

Pretty much the same rules but with openings. (Jut copied and pasted the instructions)

Heal your favourite Openings! Hurt the ones you hate!

I have selected a list of 15 popular Openings that occur after 1.d4 without 1...d5.

Each opening starts off with 20 health. Every hurt deals 2 damage, whilst each heal restores 1 health. Once a opening reaches 0 health, it is ELIMINATED.

Rules

  • You may vote once every 12 hours - NO MORE! Any votes casted without waiting long enough should be IGNORED by other players.
  • You MUST repost the list of opening, stating which opening you have healed and hurt and UPDATE the scores on the list. Failure to do so will mean that the votes are NOT cast and should be IGNORED by other players.
Opening List:
 
1. Bogo-Indian Defense (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Bb4+)
2. Benko Gambit (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5)
3. Classical Dutch (1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 e6 4.Nf3 d6)
4. Czech Benoni (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e5)
5. English Defense (1.d4 e6 2.c4 b6)
6. Grunfeld Defense (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5)
7. King's Indian Defense (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7)
8. Leningrad Dutch (1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7)
9. Modern Benoni (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e6)
10. Modern Defense (1.d4 g6)
11. Nimzo-Indian Defense (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4)
12. Old Benoni (1.d4 c5)
13. Old Indian Defense (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 d6 3.Nc3 e5)
14. Queen's Indian Defense (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6)
15. Stonewall Dutch (1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 e6 4.Nf3 d5)
ThrillerFan
Heal Stonewall Dutch, Hurt Benko Gambit
 
1. Bogo-Indian Defense 20
2. Benko Gambit 18
3. Classical Dutch 20
4. Czech Benoni 20
5. English Defense 20
6. Grunfeld Defense 20
7. King's Indian Defense 20
8. Leningrad Dutch 20
9. Modern Benoni 20
10. Modern Defense 20
11. Nimzo-Indian Defense 20
12. Old Benoni 20
13. Old Indian Defense 20
14. Queen's Indian Defense 20
15. Stonewall Dutch 21

ThrillerFan

Heal Modern Defense, Hurt Benko Gambit

1. Bogo-Indian Defense 20
2. Benko Gambit 17
3. Classical Dutch 20
4. Czech Benoni 20
5. English Defense 20
6. Grunfeld Defense 20
7. King's Indian Defense 20
8. Leningrad Dutch 20
9. Modern Benoni 20
10. Modern Defense 21
11. Nimzo-Indian Defense 20
12. Old Benoni 20
13. Old Indian Defense 20
14. Queen's Indian Defense 20
15. Stonewall Dutch 19
Ben_Dubuque

cmtavernier wrote:

1. Bogo-Indian Defense 20

2. Benko Gambit 17

3. Classical Dutch 20

4. Czech Benoni 18

5. English Defense 20

6. Grunfeld Defense 21

7. King's Indian Defense 20

8. Leningrad Dutch 21

9. Modern Benoni 20

10. Modern Defense 19

11. Nimzo-Indian Defense 20

12. Old Benoni 20

13. Old Indian Defense 20

14. Queen's Indian Defense 20

15. Stonewall Dutch 19

 

healed lenningrad dutch, hurt the czech benoni

ThrillerFan

In your posts - Please state what you are hurting and what you are healing.

gimmewuchagot

Heal King's Indian, hurt Stonewall Dutch

1. Bogo-Indian Defense 20

2. Benko Gambit 17

3. Classical Dutch 20

4. Czech Benoni 18

5. English Defense 20

6. Grunfeld Defense 21

7. King's Indian Defense 21

8. Leningrad Dutch 21

9. Modern Benoni 20

10. Modern Defense 19

11. Nimzo-Indian Defense 20

12. Old Benoni 20

13. Old Indian Defense 20

14. Queen's Indian Defense 20

15. Stonewall Dutch 17

gimmewuchagot

@ThrillerFan

Isn't it still unfair that the Dutch and Benoni are split and the others, especially the King's Indian, aren't?

bresando
gimmewuchagot wrote:

@ThrillerFan

Isn't it still unfair that the Dutch and Benoni are split and the others, especially the King's Indian, aren't?

IMHO no, it isn't. The czech benoni and the modern benoni are completely unrelated openings, despite the similar name; they just can't be grouped together.

Anyway:

Heal Czech benoni, hurt stonewall

1. Bogo-Indian Defense 20

2. Benko Gambit 17

3. Classical Dutch 20

4. Czech Benoni 19

5. English Defense 20

6. Grunfeld Defense 21

7. King's Indian Defense 21

8. Leningrad Dutch 21

9. Modern Benoni 20

10. Modern Defense 19

11. Nimzo-Indian Defense 20

12. Old Benoni 20

13. Old Indian Defense 20

14. Queen's Indian Defense 20

15. Stonewall Dutch 15

gimmewuchagot
bresando wrote:
gimmewuchagot wrote:

@ThrillerFan

Isn't it still unfair that the Dutch and Benoni are split and the others, especially the King's Indian, aren't?

IMHO no, it isn't. The czech benoni and the modern benoni are completely unrelated openings, despite the similar name; they just can't be grouped together.

But the King's Indian has its crazy attacking Mar Del Plata line, and everything else is pretty much positional.

bresando

not really. All the king indian lines can be played in a variety of ways (for example, exd4 setups are rather out of fashion but can be played agaist just about every white setup) as it happens for every single opening on earth (even rather inflexible lines like the czech or stonewall can be played in different ways). Still, the various KID variations as a whole have a lot of recurring themes, while you can hardly imagine two openings more different that the czech and modern benoni. The term "benoni" merely refers to those lines where black plays c5 while allowing d5, grouping the various benoni together would be a bit like saying that the grunfeld and KID are the same since they both involve g6.

Frankwho

Heal Grunfeld, Hurt Nimzo-Indian

1. Bogo-Indian Defense 20

2. Benko Gambit 17

3. Classical Dutch 20

4. Czech Benoni 19

5. English Defense 20

6. Grunfeld Defense 22

7. King's Indian Defense 21

8. Leningrad Dutch 21

9. Modern Benoni 20

10. Modern Defense 19

11. Nimzo-Indian Defense 18

12. Old Benoni 20

13. Old Indian Defense 20

14. Queen's Indian Defense 20

15. Stonewall Dutch 15

shdu02

Heal King's Indian Defense, Hurt Benko Gambit

1. Bogo-Indian Defense 20

2. Benko Gambit 15

3. Classical Dutch 20

4. Czech Benoni 19

5. English Defense 20

6. Grunfeld Defense 22

7. King's Indian Defense 22

8. Leningrad Dutch 21

9. Modern Benoni 20

10. Modern Defense 19

11. Nimzo-Indian Defense 18

12. Old Benoni 20

13. Old Indian Defense 20

14. Queen's Indian Defense 20

15. Stonewall Dutch 15

ThrillerFan

The list is based on Black defenses to d4, NOT variations of Black Defenses.  The Old Benoni, Modern Benoni, Czech Benoni, and Benko Gambit are 4 different openings.  The Stonewall Dutch, Leningrad Dutch, and Classical Dutch are 3 different openings.  The Mar Del Plata, Four Pawns Attack, Saemisch, etc, are different VARIATIONS of the SAME OPENING!  They are broken down by opening, not by variation.  The fact that 3 of them are Dutches is like how a large number of them are "Indian" defenses.  The "King's" Indian and "Nimzo" Indian are not the same thing,  The "Classical" Dutch and the "Stonewall" Dutch are not the same thing either.

Hope this clarifies the distinction.

 

Heal Stonewall Dutch, Hurt Benko Gambit

 

1. Bogo-Indian Defense 20

2. Benko Gambit 13

3. Classical Dutch 20

4. Czech Benoni 19

5. English Defense 20

6. Grunfeld Defense 22

7. King's Indian Defense 22

8. Leningrad Dutch 21

9. Modern Benoni 20

10. Modern Defense 19

11. Nimzo-Indian Defense 18

12. Old Benoni 20

13. Old Indian Defense 20

14. Queen's Indian Defense 20

15. Stonewall Dutch 16

IWTCIRD

Hurt grunfeld heals modern benoni

bresando

because it's a variation of the QGD, and this list is only about non d5 lines.

bresando

Heal czech benoni. hurt old benoni.

. Bogo-Indian Defense 20

2. Benko Gambit 13

3. Classical Dutch 20

4. Czech Benoni 20

5. English Defense 20

6. Grunfeld Defense 22

7. King's Indian Defense 22

8. Leningrad Dutch 21

9. Modern Benoni 20

10. Modern Defense 19

11. Nimzo-Indian Defense 18

12. Old Benoni 18

13. Old Indian Defense 20

14. Queen's Indian Defense 20

15. Stonewall Dutch 16

DerekDHarvey

Semi-Tarrasch!

Swindlers_List

Heal czech benoni. hurt King's indian.

. Bogo-Indian Defense 20

2. Benko Gambit 13

3. Classical Dutch 20

4. Czech Benoni 21

5. English Defense 20

6. Grunfeld Defense 22

7. King's Indian Defense 21

8. Leningrad Dutch 21

9. Modern Benoni 20

10. Modern Defense 19

11. Nimzo-Indian Defense 18

12. Old Benoni 18

13. Old Indian Defense 20

14. Queen's Indian Defense 20

15. Stonewall Dutch 16

Ben_Dubuque

Hurt czech benoni. Heal lenningrad dutch

. Bogo-Indian Defense 20

2. Benko Gambit 13

3. Classical Dutch 20

4. Czech Benoni 19

5. English Defense 20

6. Grunfeld Defense 22

7. King's Indian Defense 21

8. Leningrad Dutch 22

9. Modern Benoni 20

10. Modern Defense 19

11. Nimzo-Indian Defense 18

12. Old Benoni 18

13. Old Indian Defense 20

14. Queen's Indian Defense 20

15. Stonewall Dutch 16

gimmewuchagot

Heal King's Indian, hurt Benko


1. Bogo-Indian Defense 20

2. Benko Gambit 11

3. Classical Dutch 20

4. Czech Benoni 19

5. English Defense 20

6. Grunfeld Defense 22

7. King's Indian Defense 22

8. Leningrad Dutch 22

9. Modern Benoni 20

10. Modern Defense 19

11. Nimzo-Indian Defense 18

12. Old Benoni 18

13. Old Indian Defense 20

14. Queen's Indian Defense 20

15. Stonewall Dutch 16