Is anything better for me than the Parham?

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The_Gavinator

But if 8...c6, you lose a pawn to 9. Bxf7 Kxf7 10. b4! loses a knight.

gambiteer12
The_Gavinator wrote:

But if 8...c6, you lose a pawn to 9. Bxf7 Kxf7 10. b4! loses a knight.



whatupyodog

You dont castle, you do d4 and pwn them.

gambiteer12
whatupyodog wrote:

You dont castle, you do d4 and pwn them.

13.d4 exd4 14.Bxf6 Bxf6 15.Nxd4 Qe5 16.c3 Re8 maybe.

whatupyodog

why would white take f6? just take d4 and continue to pwn.

gambiteer12
whatupyodog wrote:

why would white take f6? just take d4 and continue to pwn.

He is forced to because exd4 discovers an attack on the g5 bishop by the queen. 

whatupyodog

okay, trade before nd1, then after nd1, do g4.

gambiteer12

Well 15...Kg7 is pretty much forced and if 16.g5 then Qxg5. Such a commital move as g4 leaves white's king more vunerable than black's.

The_Gavinator

d4 was never played.

gambiteer12

What do you suggest should be played? Looks like 9.Bxf7+ puts white at a disadvantage to me.  

AndyClifton
ChristianSoldier007 wrote:

chess should be about constructive advice and players helping one another instead of throwing around rocks and insults :)

So should the UN (except all these pesky wars keep springing up)...

shepi13
whatupyodog wrote:

After nxd4, white is better, and d5 just hangs a pawn.

After Nxd4 the position is equal and after d5 black has sacrificed a pawn for an advantage. Engines back me up on this.

6... d5 -0.15 Rybka depth 16.    About equal, black has an extremely slight advantage

9... d5 -0.96 Rybka depth 12. Black has a giant advantage.

10... d5 -0.23 Rybka depth 12. Black is still slightly better.

 

11. Nxd4 -0.04 Rybka depth 12. Equal.

 

None of these values are positive, thus, white has failed to gain any advantage out of the opening.

AndyClifton

Don't trust comp evaluations of the opening though...

shepi13

I don't even need to. I see 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 and I evaluate that black is better Laughing in any ensuing position. I just use engines to convince them of this evaluation when they claim that my play is "garbage", to quote whatupyodog.

AndyClifton

Oh right, that's the anti-spam guy. Smile

whatupyodog

Shepi, that is because your play is garbage and i dont give a shit about what an engine says. GM3000, uf i wanted to lose in 20 moves i would play the kings gambit, and i am not a fan of the evans gambit and the scotch seems to be passive in many lines but i will look more into it.

The_Gavinator

Alexlaw, christiansoldier lost that game, you don't freaking checkmate in a bongcloud game, to quote the bongcloud rulebook:

8. Checkmate is a LOSS for the Checkmating player.

The_Gavinator

Yes, it usually helps to learn the rules, doesn't it? You were winning the kingside race anyways, so it was a meek attempt to keep up with you.

The_Gavinator
utarefson

I love you guys. You are so good at talking, so eloquent. Especialy you The_Gavinator:

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game.html?id=286855309

Hope, I will see you IM one day. Or politician. So, take care.

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