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Anyone have any expirience with this?


 

 

 

 

 

 

 


ivandh

Sorry but it is illegal to call an opening after a geographical region that is outside of the continent of Europe. It should be called something like the Schleswig-Holstein Counter.

aggressivesociopath

No experience with it. From your last diagram I would give serious thought to 4. Bb5 intending the exchange and an attempt to control the weak e5 square over more aggressive attempts, but that is mainly because I can't find a good way to exploit the light squares with Black's bishop still alive and I don't fancy 4. Bd3 Bg4 5. c3, it seems to slow. But then again I don't really do my best chess thinking where I am.

LightningBoltOfZeus
ivandh wrote:

Sorry but it is illegal to call an opening after a geographical region that is outside of the continent of Europe. It should be called something like the Schleswig-Holstein Counter.

Colorado is said to be where it was originated.

Crazychessplaya

Don't spend too much time on this opening. It sucks, and maybe one person in a million plays it.

Swindlers_List

http://www.chess.com/opening/eco/B00_Nimzowitsch_Defense_Lean_Variation

I don't see you reaching it much, after:

1.e4 Nc6 (people are unlikely to follow 1.e4 f5 with 2.nf3, so this is the only logical way of reaching it)

People will usually play 2.d4 rather than Nf3, but overall it seems to score ok, so if you like it give it a try.

LoveYouSoMuch

what, is this actually a dubious countergambit that i have never played? i so totally HAVE to play it!

that said, from my experience with playing 1.. Nc6 against anything i can say that 2 Nf3 is at least as close to popular as 2 d4.
white players are probably hoping for 2.. e5 when play goes back to their favorite king's pawn formation, whatever that is.

Swindlers_List

fair enough, I don't play 1.nc6 or 1.e4 so i was kind of assuming.

Zevras
LoveYouSoMuch wrote:

what, is this actually a dubious countergambit that i have never played? i so totally HAVE to play it!

that said, from my experience with playing 1.. Nc6 against anything i can say that 2 Nf3 is at least as close to popular as 2 d4.
white players are probably hoping for 2.. e5 when play goes back to their favorite king's pawn formation, whatever that is.

It's seen live play from some 2400-2500ish IM's, so they obviously think it's not completely hopeless, and black seems to do ok with it, which is why I find it kind of interesting. I've kind of been in a bit of a 1... e4 2... Nc6 rut lately so am playing around with a few different things. Goal is something non joker, without a lot of theory, and where the main line has a decent chance of being played, against the competition I play against (mostly up to around 1600 ELO, although a few guys at the local club are ~1800).

BTW: Amongst that player class, in an admittedly small sample size, 2. Nf3 is getting played a LOT.

LoveYouSoMuch

i think you will definitely get your chances to play it, however you definitely have to be ready for 2 d4... and, sometimes, 2 Nc3 (e5 there should be fine if it fits into your repertoire)

other random moves i have seen - 2 f4 isn't too good in account of d5, 2 c3 is a bad ponziani.

la-goon

i love it!! its my favorite gambit with black.

a video which taught me as well as inspired me to play it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWXkutY3foM

Sergey Kasparov v/s Torben Schulze

an interesting video to the above master game-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2k1KegtWDg

waffllemaster
la-goon wrote:

i love it!! its my favorite gambit with black.

a video which taught me as well as inspired me to play it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWXkutY3foM

Sergey Kasparov v/s Torben Schulze

 

an interesting video to the above master game-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2k1KegtWDg

Wow, 10...Nxc6 is a spectacular move... and it will take moves like that to win with this opening for sure heh.

la-goon
waffllemaster wrote:

Wow, 10...Nxc6 is a spectacular move... and it will take moves like that to win with this opening for sure heh.

Laughing Exactly why one should play it!

waffllemaster

Reminds me of a sveshnikov sicilian... except it's the d pawn for the f pawn instead of c for d hah.  The problem I guess is you can't expand on the kingside (as you would on the queenside in that sicilian line).  In that line of reasoning kingside castling should simply be bad.

la-goon

why? rook would have an open file. And if white castles on the king's side black can bring tremendous attack. Its pretty similar to the king's side structure in the king's gambit & the lativian.

waffllemaster

It's rare to be able to attack the king when you don't have control of the center or more specifically when your opponent has play in the center himself.  With the e5 / e6 problem I don't think black is dreaming of a kingside attack.  A rook on the f file with some kingside pawn advances doesn't look bad, but more likely Black's thinking of applying some pressure (displace the f3 knight for example) in order to get the move e5 in when he can probably claim equality.

That's the main reason I don't like the look of this opening.  It seems black will struggle for an active plan while white should find the position much easier to play.

warrior689

really?!! Ive beaten 1900 ELOs with it

la-goon

The colorado is made to capture the centre against e4(2.Nf3). You can see it in the video & it clearly shows how to (except when white plays d4 which should be taken care of if the black player knows how to play a Queen's Pawn game & still it would be good as its moved away from the king's pawn game) And the opening favours black more when its declined.

waffllemaster

I play all sorts of crap in speed chess and win :p

I'm just evaluating the opening in general.

waffllemaster

I'm not sure what the idea of the opening is except to play into a visually unappealing structure and then prove it's not losing by force Tongue Out