can people get away with cheating?

hey i was just thinking about this the other day, couldnt lots of people on this site ( and others) just put all their moves and opponent's moves into a chess program like chessmaster to win all their games or to help them get out of bad situations during games? and if so how do the people like "erik" or moderators stop cheaters from cheating? how can u catch them?

anyone who cheats is only cheating themselves

Feyterman, cheating this way, can easily be done. It's unfortunately the reality of online chess.

You should, in my opinion, not put to much value in victories or defeats you suffer in online chess, it should rather be seen as a learning aid. Which is one of the main objectives of this site. "Play learn share"...

Your real chess ability should be calculated by the OTB tourneys you play...  

"couldnt lots of people on this site ( and others) just put all their moves and opponent's moves into a chess program like chessmaster to win all their games"

To what end? They wouldn't win anything... Chessmaster would. There's no money or master title on the line. The cheater knows they're a loser, and when Erik catches them, they'll lose their account and everyone else will see them the same way. Perhaps that's why there are so very few cheaters here. I wouldn't think twice about them. :)

You will find a cheater wont stick around for long also, if you put all your moves into a program like chessmaster, sure you might feel good for a few games, but it'll soon get old and tiresome.

It is usually somewhat obvious looking at someones ratings when all their losses are timeouts, plus when they make absolutely no mistakes, I myself feel I am a strong player, current rated on the site around 2000 yet still find it hard not to make mistakes, the few people I play regular will also tell you, they themself make mistakes.

If you find some people you enjoy playing with, keep playing with them.

 Aslong as you're enjoying the game, if you're playing a cheater it really doesn't matter. Hell, playing an engine might just teach you something in the long run.

December 9, 2007

Hello;

I wish somebody would explain to me how CHEATERS... go about cheating.  CHESSMASTER? I'm  too tight with my money to EVEN consider paying for a Chess program like Chessmaster.  Besides, remember what Shakespear once said......"unto thine self be true."

I don't know what cheaters have to accomplish. For one thing..... there's NO MONEY...awarded in these games. For another, you can wear TWO faces... and sooner or later... your real YOU will be discovered.

For another still.... how can you feel good about yourself as a "good player", when you have transgressed the bounds of ETHICS  and TRUTH?

slim6744

 If I get into a complex chess game and my opponent turns it over to his computer to finish me off I didn't get cheated? I sink hours of my time into a competition with what I thought was my equal when in fact it's not a fair fight and you tell me I wasn't cheated?

This line of BS that the cheater only cheats themselves is rediculous. I don't know how it got so popular, but somehow it shows up on every thread where someone asks about cheating. 

 This is the first time I've ever agreed with Loomis. Where did this slave mentality about cheating come from? Maybe the cheaters invented it.

"rediculous?" 

I give Loomis' senitment a strong third.

When someone cheats, it does affect the opponent - who has a great investment in time and energy and is playing to win, as well as the system - which relies on non-manipulated data to accurately compute ratings.

 Well Edward, I do think the technology exists but it would be very expensive to implement and really not worth doing for an entertainment site. The amount of effort someone has to expend to cheat at 49 games at a time to make it to a 2200 rating must be incredible. There is no way to stop them except for the community as a whole to not play them. At the 2000 level, that is a very small community and they should have policed themselves when that incident occurred. Instead, you saw them all playing multiple times. 

"you have a deadly mix."

I seriously doubt there have been fatalities as a result of online chess. Strange things do happen though :-). 

http://www.courttv.com/news/2007/0524/newton_ap.html

"Every time I put him in check, he'd give up and want to start a new game ... I tried to tell him you never give up ... I just got tired of it." Although this wasn't an online game, but a game between prison cellmates. How's that for a deadly mix?

Although murdering over chess is nothing new... allegedly around 1000 AD:

"163. OF THE EARL'S MURDER. When they had played a while the king made a false move, at which the earl took a knight from the king; but the king set the piece again upon the board, and told the earl to make another move; but the earl grew angry, threw over the chess-board, stood up, and went away. The king said, "Runnest thou away, Ulf the coward?" The earl turned round at the door and said, "Thou wouldst have run farther at Helga river, if thou hadst come to battle there. Thou didst not call me Ulf the coward, when I hastened to thy help while the Swedes were beating thee like a dog." The earl then went out, and went to bed. A little later the king also went to bed. The following morning while the king was putting on his clothes he said to his footboy, "Go thou to Earl Ulf, and kill him." The lad went, was away a while, and then came back. The king said, "Hast thou killed the earl?" "I did not kill him, for he was gone to Saint Lucius' church." There was a man called Ivar White, a Norwegian by birth, who was the king's courtman and chamberlain. The king said to him, "Go thou and kill the earl." Ivar went to the church, and in at the choir, and thrust his sword through the earl, who died on the spot. Then Ivar went to the king, with the bloody sword in his hand. The king said, "Hast thou killed the earl?" "I have killed him," says he. "Thou didst well." After the earl was killed the monks closed the church, and locked the doors. When that was told the king he sent a message to the monks, ordering them to open the church and sing high mass. They did as the king ordered; and when the king came to the church he bestowed on it great property, so that it had a large domain, by which that place was raised very high; and these lands have since always belonged to it. King Canute rode down to his ships, and lay there till late in harvest with a very large army."

Excerpt from Heimskringla